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HMS Astute aground off Skye?

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Old 22nd October 2010, 11:37
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HMS Astute aground off Skye?

"Royal Navy submarine HMS Astute has got into difficulty off Skye, the Ministry of Defence (MoD) has confirmed."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...lands-11605365
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Old 22nd October 2010, 11:46
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That will put a dent in Commander Andy Coles career if nothing else I should think.
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Nuclear Submarine HMS Astute Aground Off Skye

Just heard on the news she's aground, still watertight and no personnel injured. Hope to float her off at high tide.
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I thought the "Special Forces" had to swim ashore rather than walk it!! I also see that the (Civilian) SD Victoria is also set up for "Special Forces" use and known as a "World Wide Support Ship"
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So one of the coast guard tugs is standing by , wonder if this will reflect that they are getting the chop through the cuts proposed,, not the first time a sub has been in trouble here in Skyes waters,, there was a thing in the Daily Record a few weeks back about the Astute being moored so close to the bridge that the local police force asked them to move because some of the locals apparently thought it was a Russian attack sub due to its shape
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Old 22nd October 2010, 14:22
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It is understood that the boat, which is first in its class, ran aground by its stern in a manoeuvre that “went slightly wrong” after it had dropped some sailors ashore in tidal waters off the Isle of Skye.
Something of an understatement !
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http://news.stv.tv/scotland/highland...ocks-off-skye/
http://news.stv.tv/scotland/204295-n...nded-off-skye/
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/ed...6908-22559936/
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another embarrassment

what a week not to remember what with the cuts to the navy and now the submarine running aground ,what a laughing stock to the world we must be.
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Old 22nd October 2010, 15:26
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what a week not to remember what with the cuts to the navy and now the submarine running aground ,what a laughing stock to the world we must be.
I would not say the RN is a laughing stock because of one captians apparent lack of duty !!!
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Old 22nd October 2010, 15:55
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Give Commander Coles a coconut...

This is Kyle of Lochalsh from EasyTide, brought to you by the owners of HMS Astute:
http://easytide.ukho.gov.uk/easytide...&HeightUnits=0

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Not very Astute then

Astute: of keen discernment
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Old 22nd October 2010, 16:03
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The correct way to go aground in a submarine, espescially a nuclear one, is whilst submerged.

If your ballast tanks are already empty, and you have only potable water and torpedoes to unload to lighten ship with, life can be awkward...
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http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...-on-rocks.html

Haha The Red tops got the incident with the Trafalger wrong , says it happened a close distance to where this one happened ,,well if forty or fifty miles is close then so be it
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Looking at the TV pictures - she seems to be venting steam, with the axed Coastguard ETV ANGLIAN PRINCE & other craft in attendance.

The ASTUTE is presumably well aground & more hull is showing above the surface than would normally be seen.

This seems to have revealed a patchy green band - could this be anti-fouling or weed ?

If it's weed that can't be doing her performance much good.

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Quite a big rise and fall with the tide this weekend up here so could be interesting all though the tide is making just now high tide roughly about 5 tonight
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...lands-11606046
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One of four emergency tugs to be withdrawn under UK government plans has been sent to the scene of the grounded submarine HMS Astute.

The Maritime and Coastguard Agency-chartered Anglian Prince was sent from Stornoway on Lewis and tasked to stand by on the scene.

The tugs are to be taken out of service in 2011 to save 32m over four-and-a-half years.

Two Highlands Lib Dem politicians have attacked the withdrawal decision.
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* Royal Navy nuclear sub grounded
* Call for coastguard tug rethink

Charles Kennedy, a former leader of the party, said on Thursday the vessels could prove critical in an emergency.

Highland MSP John Farquhar Munro said he was furious at plans to scrap them in the government's Spending Review.

John Laing, transport chairman at Highland Council, said it was "unthinkable" to be withdrawing the tugs.

He said: "How ironic it is that only two days after the government announced the end of funding for emergency tugs in the Highlands and Islands that the Stornoway tug is required to rescue the Royal Navy's newest and largest attack submarine.

"We have fought long and hard to have a tug service protect our shores and this incident brings into sharp focus the need for the tug at Stornoway.

"This is exactly the kind of incident that the tug is required for."

The tugs are based in Falmouth, Dover, the Northern Isles and Western Isles.

Anglian Prince, Anglian Princess, Anglian Sovereign and Anglian Monarch - are chartered by the MCA for use in pollution control and towing vessels that are in difficulty.

The government said it should be the responsibility of companies and their insurers for the salvage and clean-up of stricken vessels.
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Apparantly she is now afloat and being towed into deeper waters for inspection by divers. There is some suggestion her rudder is damaged and she will have to be towed back to Faslane. So much for binning the tugs, perhaps a rethink is in order.
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I know nothing about naval /strategic matters but can't help wondering what she was doing messing about off Skye. No doubt those of you who could explain are not allowed to!
I am also waiting for the 'greenies' to start howling that the steam being vented might be radioactive!
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Probably going to the BUTEC range (Test Firing).
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It is just as well there were no Iranians about or they would have boarded the Astute (avoiding the hot exhaust venting mast if they were briefed properly on health and safety) and had all crews iPods away.

They always say you get rubbish runs ashore in boats nowadays but that must have taken the biscuit.
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Probably going to the BUTEC range (Test Firing).
No longer BUTEC now QINETEC , but did hear they were putting boys ashore ,there is a shore facility in Kyle and the range at the back of Rassay
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I would not say the RN is a laughing stock because of one captians apparent lack of duty !!!
The problem is that the RN have a record of using ships' hulls for accurately determining the depth and position of underwater obstructions, many of which were already charted.
Why do they not revert to the traditional methods of employing navigation and appropriate seamanship skills? Charts and GPS's and alert watchkeeping?
They used the hull of the Nottingham to find a rock pinnacle in 2003. They also used the Triumph and the Trafalgar hulls in the early 2000's.
If I remember rightly they even used a hydrographic survey vessel for similar purposes off the west coast a few years back. Still, at least that vessel was designed for surveying.

According to a MOD spokesman, a personnel transfer was taking place near the Kyles. Interesting place to conduct one, with a 7,800 tonne vessel, (assuming the information is correct).
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Old 22nd October 2010, 23:19
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They had been asked by the local plods to moor further off to do crew transfer as in this news item in the record a few weeks back
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/ed...6908-22559936/
Mind you , you been from the North East will be a P& J reader lol used to get that one thrown at me when on the west side before moving here
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You'd need a lot of gaffer tape to fix that!!
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I think it is crazy that the govt is thinking of axing the Coast Guard EVTs which could one day prevent another marine disaster and of which we have an insufficient number, whilst at the same time spending billions of s on two aircraft carriers which we probably don't need and can't afford.

We're an Island and we should be guarding our coastline far better than we do. I would suggest at least 6 large coastguard cutters (about the same size as the old US Treasury Class) equipped with ancillary craft all on permanent patrol, and a similar number of large well equipped EVTs. You could do all this for far less than the price of the aircraft carriers (5bn) the project would be of more immediate value and provide a valuable training ground for the Navy in basic seamanship and navigation...which they apparently need.
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