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Old 24th September 2008, 09:42
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Hello - theoretical questions, help me!

Morning Gents

I am an amatuer novelist and I have joined this forum to assist in my research.

This is all theoretical but... Which is the busiest import port in the UK? Is it Antwerp?

Is there a main port? i.e. do the majority of goods imported into the UK arrive to a specific port?

What is the fuel type of frieght ships?

How is this country supplied road fuel? Is it by sea or do we refine oil from rigs around our coast?

My story in concept relies on the country relying heavily on imports i.e. not self sufficient and what would happen if no imports could be processed through our ports. In short, what if our country starved?

I know it all sounds morbid but I have looked around on the internet as a starting point and realised the research I do that way is very limited so I need an expert.

Any assistance would be greatly appreciated and my apologies for taking up so much space.

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Old 24th September 2008, 09:52
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This is all theoretical but... Which is the busiest import port in the UK? Is it Antwerp?

Start with an atlas and look up Antwerp, then remove the A and n
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Old 24th September 2008, 09:58
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Old 24th September 2008, 10:02
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Well, firstly welcome to the Site and I hope you enjoy your time with us and find the contributions both helpful and fun. Certainly your query will bring forth some replies and they may well help you get a picture of what goes on.

You very first question is a little worrying, as the suggestion you put forward, (Antwerp) as the busiest import port in the UK, is actually located in mainland Europe; so we have some work to do…

Let's see what we can add for you.
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Old 24th September 2008, 10:15
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To take just two of you queries:

Is there a main port? i.e. do the majority of goods imported into the UK arrive to a specific port?
No, there are different ports that have their own ambitions, for example Dover is the busiest Passenger Port in the UK, whilst Felixstowe is the busiest Container Port. In terms of oil you will find conflicting claims and Sullom Voe is an obvious contender, as is Milford Haven – it really depends on what particular slant you are looking for.


What is the fuel type of freight ships?

Nearly all ships regardless of size use Diesel Oil of some description, within reason the larger the ship the higher the viscosity, so the small coasters are using Marine Diesel Oil (MDO) whilst the bigger ships are using Intermediate Fuel Oil (IFO) - If you want to take a deeper look into the mysteries of Diesel Oil versus Gas Oil, versus Heavy Oil, then this link here may help you get a picture of the four grades thast are in common use, being IFO180, IFO380, MDO and MGO.

I am sure others will wish to make their own comments, so that is just a start.

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Old 24th September 2008, 10:19
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Legend_1978, I also am amatuer writer and I do not pass my stories on to others, apart from my family. I do use Toastmasters when telling stories and these are very short stories. None the less, most of my stories have a basis in personal experience. My years at sea gave me a long list of potential stories and I have lots of notes. There are many who spent a lot more time at sea than I, each will have many of their own stories, One thing that we will have is the use of personal experience of ports, plus of course, the sea, how it changes so much. You have a lot of research to do.
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Old 24th September 2008, 10:58
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Welcome to this glorious site
You will get loads of replies and hopefully they will assist you in your searches
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Old 24th September 2008, 11:43
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Welcome aboard from Aussie, sure you will get plenty of assistance in your searches.

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Old 24th September 2008, 12:13
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Welcome aboard from East Yorkshire.
I see you've had a lot of help already.
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Legend welcome to SN. Have you found Antwerp on the map yet. ? Bon voyage.
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Old 24th September 2008, 19:01
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Welcome aboard young'un! It won't take you too long to find your way around.

Antwerp is a busy port in Belgium.

As someone told you: ports tend to be specialist now. Shutting of one might actually cause a national problem because of it. It depends on just how many ports handle the same good and products and how much a country relies on these specific goods and /or products. The days of the world wandering tramp ship have almost gone so there might be a problem in that direction as well.

As for atomotive fuel - this is brought as crude oil to the land from overseas or from a nearby oil field to refineries where it is broken up into it's particular parts - some of which are fuels.

As for starving us out? that's been tried a few times - the last being the 1939-45 war.

As somone said: get yourself a good atlas and a history of the the British MN during WW2. very good tools to start with.

All the best with your project

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Old 24th September 2008, 19:54
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I guess the claim as to who is the biggest / best / most ect could go on for ages HERES some details on the ports which handl;e 40,000+ shipping movements a year
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Old 24th September 2008, 22:57
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Welcome to the site. I hope you were not expecting a sensible answer to this question - if you were I suggest you would do better looking at Wikipaedia.

Personally I don't think we would starve if the ports were closed; well not all of us.

My prediction, based on minutes of research, is that there would be a two-pronged cannibalistic advance on England from Scotland and Wales. The Jocks and Taffs would hog-roast the Northerners and Midlanders as they advanced and gradually converge on London.

Having devoured the soft Southerners, they would march through the Channel Tunnel and start munching their way across France.
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Old 25th September 2008, 01:20
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Having devoured the soft Southerners, they would march through the Channel Tunnel and start munching their way across France.

Umm an irresponsible and wholly improbable scenario… With no fuel the tunnel would have no lights and they would therefore need to carry lighted flares to find their way in the dark, but we have seen already that carrying burning lorries through the tunnel is a concept fraught with problems, which is now actively discouraged *, so burning torches would be very similar. The only possible excuse for your plan being marginally correct, could be if the parties munching their way to France were shareholders in Eurotunnel, and then of course they would be allowed free access…

* - records indicate that it has been at least a week since burning lorries were allowed to be placed on the shuttle trains, and we have to accept that in time they will be banned totally.. i.e. at the time of writing they are allowed to travel from France to England, but not the other way. That Sir, is why they have notices saying "For France, alight here"
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Old 25th September 2008, 08:28
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Hello one and all

Thank you to everyone so far who has kindly lent some of their knowledge into the beginnings of this particular idea.

Ok, many points to address here. Firstly, this is a starting point. I have masses of research to do and so will use wikipedia (and an atlas lol), will research previous attempts at starving us etc.

The WW2, ship fuel types and some of the facts and figures have already helped me in what is quite a big bit of research.

Once again, thank you to everyone who has helped me out so far.
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Legend 1978, welcome to this site and the best of luck with your research..
I note that you are writing a novel, a make believe fictitious story woven around facts relating to Britain's sea borne trade or the loss of it.
No doubt it will include intrigue, disaster, ambition, political deviousness and with a bit of luck a slice of the 'new attitude" from Mills and Boon, ie bit of spice.
My advice is that you be thorough with any facts, technicalities and practicalities relating to Britain's past and present maritime history otherwise you will find almost 30000 SN members gunning for you with a thousand brickbats but if you do paint a plausible picture in this regard the same group will send the bouquets and probably buy the book.
Rest assured there are many knowledgeable people here with the willingness to help

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Old 25th September 2008, 17:52
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Welcome to the site. I hope you were not expecting a sensible answer to this question - if you were I suggest you would do better looking at Wikipaedia.

Personally I don't think we would starve if the ports were closed; well not all of us.

My prediction, based on minutes of research, is that there would be a two-pronged cannibalistic advance on England from Scotland and Wales. The Jocks and Taffs would hog-roast the Northerners and Midlanders as they advanced and gradually converge on London.

Having devoured the soft Southerners, they would march through the Channel Tunnel and start munching their way across France.
You can understand what some of us mean young'un about mis-information on this site. This is a lamentable example:

Everyone knows that the celts are not adventurous eaters - they wouldn't touch foreign food! Boom boom!

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