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Old 28th August 2007, 07:58
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Coe Metcalf

I sailed with Coe's between 89/91 (Left and came back) anybody else have memories of them.
Seemed a strange outfit looking back. Ships were all very old, yet the company had plush offices in Martins building Water St Liverpool.
The ships were manned down to the minimum, yet the office was top heavy with supers & staff. They were part of the Fisher group
I was on the Hawthorn German built about 67, Briarthorn (Ex Craigallion) quite new for Coe built about 79, Frirethorn 67, What a nightmare she was, she had a one off Storkwerkspoor engine i could spend hours talking on that alone.
I then sailed on the Redthorn an ex Cawoods can't remember her original name,
Now she was a work! up she originaly had a crew of 12. Coe's ran her with 6, 1 Engineer me! I seem to remember spending all my time doing ballast, the system being poor.
I also seem to remember whilst i was there, them buying a 1964 built tanker to convert into a bitumen carrier
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Old 28th August 2007, 12:40
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I lasted a week on the old Maythorn, and that was six days too long. Walked off in Blyth, first opportunity I got. Not for me.
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Old 28th August 2007, 14:44
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Hello Docdiesel, their bitumen tanker ould have been the Robert M, in Belfast many times in early 80's.
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Old 28th August 2007, 15:11
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Hello Docdiesel, their bitumen tanker ould have been the Robert M, in Belfast many times in early 80's.
No i knew all about the Robert M The one they bought was to suppliment the Robert M Now there was a heap!
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I lasted 2weeks 3 days on the Christopher M. Left when the North sea started coming up the cabin sink plug hole! 1971 Christmas I think

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I sailed with Coe's between 89/91 (Left and came back) anybody else have memories of them.
Seemed a strange outfit looking back. Ships were all very old, yet the company had plush offices in Martins building Water St Liverpool.
The ships were manned down to the minimum, yet the office was top heavy with supers & staff. They were part of the Fisher group
I was on the Hawthorn German built about 67, Briarthorn (Ex Craigallion) quite new for Coe built about 79, Frirethorn 67, What a nightmare she was, she had a one off Storkwerkspoor engine i could spend hours talking on that alone.
I then sailed on the Redthorn an ex Cawoods can't remember her original name,
Now she was a work! up she originaly had a crew of 12. Coe's ran her with 6, 1 Engineer me! I seem to remember spending all my time doing ballast, the system being poor.
I also seem to remember whilst i was there, them buying a 1964 built tanker to convert into a bitumen carrier
sailed as chief on the maythorn and firethorn in the 70s . the firethorn was pure luxury compared to the maythorn
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Old 4th August 2011, 16:05
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I sailed with Coe's between 89/91 (Left and came back) anybody else have memories of them.
Seemed a strange outfit looking back. Ships were all very old, yet the company had plush offices in Martins building Water St Liverpool.
The ships were manned down to the minimum, yet the office was top heavy with supers & staff. They were part of the Fisher group
I was on the Hawthorn German built about 67, Briarthorn (Ex Craigallion) quite new for Coe built about 79, Frirethorn 67, What a nightmare she was, she had a one off Storkwerkspoor engine i could spend hours talking on that alone.
I then sailed on the Redthorn an ex Cawoods can't remember her original name,
Now she was a work! up she originaly had a crew of 12. Coe's ran her with 6, 1 Engineer me! I seem to remember spending all my time doing ballast, the system being poor.
I also seem to remember whilst i was there, them buying a 1964 built tanker to convert into a bitumen carrier
The other bitumen tanker was I believe the GORDON THOMAS, named after one of the directors.
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Old 4th August 2011, 16:12
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sailed as chief on the maythorn and firethorn in the 70s . the firethorn was pure luxury compared to the maythorn
FIRETHORN ended her days drug running in the Caribbean under the name LIMERICK.

Intercepted October 1996 with over 6 tons of cocaine on passage Barranquilla to Bahamas. US Coastguard and Cuban Authorities involved
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i was on the rosethorn late 70s,very rough but i enjoyed my time there,we used to do alot of garston to derry runs and then round to newlynn for stone alot ,and up to deptford and grain runs were a laugh to pass the water test we used to put denzo tape over the holes and paint them another time going past gravesend the 2nd mate put a new bulb in the repeater and it blew everything off the board no steering no power no radio complete darkness i had to leg it to the focsle to drop the anchor it was pretty hairy
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Old 4th August 2011, 18:46
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I see Coe Metcalf ships, the .....thorn ships, and Metcalfe Motor Coasters ships, eg Christopher M, are both discussed on this thread.
I had thought that they were totally unconnected firms, was I wrong?
I sailed in the Peter M in the mid sixties, and can say without doubt that tub was the worst ship I was ever in.
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Old 4th August 2011, 20:29
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Pat,

Rather complex to say the least.

In 1970 Metcalf Motor Coaster Ltd (Coy No 366100) renamed as Metcalf Coasting & Investment (Holdings) Ltd.

They then created a new subsidiary Metcalf Motor Coasters Ltd (No.984591)

In 1970 the Booker Group owners of S. William Coe & Co. Ltd opened negotiations to acquire Metcalf Coasting & Investment (Holdings) Ltd.

In 1973 S. William Coe & Co. Ltd was transferred to become a subsidiary of Metcalf Coasting & Investments (Holdings) Ltd alonside Metcalf Motor Coasters Ltd.

In 1977 Metcalf Coasting & Investment (Holdings) Ltd was restyled as Coe, Metcalf Shipping Ltd.

1980 saw both subsidiaries dissolved

1984 Coe Metcalf Shipping Ltd was sold to Fishers of Barrow and later restyled into their name style
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Old 4th August 2011, 20:59
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whitethorn was converted to a drilling ship in 1976 and was employed in the north sea for many years by ncb
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Pat,

Rather complex to say the least.

In 1970 Metcalf Motor Coaster Ltd (Coy No 366100) renamed as Metcalf Coasting & Investment (Holdings) Ltd.

They then created a new subsidiary Metcalf Motor Coasters Ltd (No.984591)

In 1970 the Booker Group owners of S. William Coe & Co. Ltd opened negotiations to acquire Metcalf Coasting & Investment (Holdings) Ltd.

In 1973 S. William Coe & Co. Ltd was transferred to become a subsidiary of Metcalf Coasting & Investments (Holdings) Ltd alonside Metcalf Motor Coasters Ltd.

In 1977 Metcalf Coasting & Investment (Holdings) Ltd was restyled as Coe, Metcalf Shipping Ltd.

1980 saw both subsidiaries dissolved

1984 Coe Metcalf Shipping Ltd was sold to Fishers of Barrow and later restyled into their name style
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Thanks for that. Complicated as you say. Anyway, when I was in the PeterM, the owners were Metcalfe Motor Coasters, and the ship was a disgrace.
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Old 5th August 2011, 09:20
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whitethorn was converted to a drilling ship in 1976 and was employed in the north sea for many years by ncb
That's when I sailed on her while working for Wimpey Labs. Before she got the NCB contract she was chartered by the Institute of Geological Sciences which involved six months working for the English dept. around the English Continental Shelf, then the other six for the Scottish dept around their part. Sometimes pretty interesting, mostly mind numbing boredom ! Normal day consisted of mooring up with 6 anchor pattern (Wimpeys' own anchors on sponsons) which was quite an art then scratching the surface with our little drilling rig that pushed over the stbd side on rams and various other sampling systems. Best bit I remember was out in the North sea sampling every few yards across a crater they had found investigating the possibility that it was a giant gas bubble that had caused it. They were a bit worried as the first rig was about to be sunk in the area and the chance of a giant burp of gas on the sea bed could cause a rig leg to fall in was a possibility. The mud that came up stunk of sulphur dioxide, but never did find out the results.

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ps The Briarthorn later joined the Whitethorn on the NCB contract and had a moonpool cut in her to drill deeper. She was eventually bought by Wimpey (Wimpey Geocore) and went to Aussy to work, don't know her eventual fate
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Old 5th August 2011, 09:48
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That's when I sailed on her while working for Wimpey Labs. Before she got the NCB contract she was chartered by the Institute of Geological Sciences which involved six months working for the English dept. around the English Continental Shelf, then the other six for the Scottish dept around their part. Sometimes pretty interesting, mostly mind numbing boredom ! Normal day consisted of mooring up with 6 anchor pattern (Wimpeys' own anchors on sponsons) which was quite an art then scratching the surface with our little drilling rig that pushed over the stbd side on rams and various other sampling systems. Best bit I remember was out in the North sea sampling every few yards across a crater they had found investigating the possibility that it was a giant gas bubble that had caused it. They were a bit worried as the first rig was about to be sunk in the area and the chance of a giant burp of gas on the sea bed could cause a rig leg to fall in was a possibility. The mud that came up stunk of sulphur dioxide, but never did find out the results.

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ps The Briarthorn later joined the Whitethorn on the NCB contract and had a moonpool cut in her to drill deeper. She was eventually bought by Wimpey (Wimpey Geocore) and went to Aussy to work, don't know her eventual fate
As far as I can ascertain they had four vessels periodically engaged on offshore exploration work. The details are below.

However they also had a lengthy period of vessel employment in a Guardship roll when the relevant vessels were painted red including the superstructure. I believe it was something to do with laying power cables across the English Channel.

WHITETHORN
O.N. 305223. 1,513g. 733n. 1,825d. 261’ 0” x 39’ 10” x 16’ 9½”oa.
9-cyl. 2 S.C.S.A. (340 x 570mm) Polar MN19S type engine made by British Polar Engines Ltd., Glasgow. 2,475bhp. Bow jet pump forward.
26.2.1963: Launched as HERO by Charles Hill & Sons Ltd., Bristol (Yard No. 441) for the Bristol Steam Navigation Company Ltd., Bristol. 6.1963: Completed. 1970: Sold to S. William Coe & Company Ltd., Liverpool and renamed WHITETHORN. 1978: Sold to Coe, Metcalf Shipping Ltd., (S. William Coe & Company Ltd., managers). 1984: Company ownership passed from the Booker Group to James Fisher & Sons Ltd., Barrow in Furness. 1996: Owners rebranded as James Fisher & Sons (Liverpool) Ltd. 1998: Sold to Norcon AG., (AS Torvang, managers) under St Vincent & Grenadines registry. 11.2002: Arrived at Gadani Beach, Pakistan for demolition.

BRIARTHORN
O.N. 360154. 1,469g. 687n. 2,060d. 264’ 5” x 39’ 1” x 16’ 0” oa.
7-cyl. 4 S.C.S.A. (390 x 680mm) engine made by N. V. Werkspoor, Amsterdam. 1,630bhp. 13kts.
25.4.1962: Launched as ANNE BOGELUND by E. J. Smit & Zoon Scheepswerf, Westerbroek (Yard No. 766) for Rederiet Bogelund-Jensen IS, (Otto Danielsen, manager), Denmark. 8.1962: Completed. 1969: Sold to NV Scheepvaart & Handelmaats ‘Noorderpark’ (Oost Atlantic Linj NV, managers), Holland, and renamed ANNE. 1973: Sold to S. William Coe & Company Ltd., Liverpool, and renamed BRIARTHORN. 1978: Sold to Coe, Metcalf Shipping Ltd., (S. William Coe & Company Ltd., managers). 1981: Sold to Wimpey Laboratories Ltd, London, and renamed GEODRILL. 29.7.1985: Arrived at Jurong for demolition by National Shipbreakers.

GORSETHORN
O. N. 305226. 1,589g. 769n. 2,023d. 261’ 0” x 39’ 10” x 16’ 9Ύ”oa.
9-cyl. 2 S.C.S.A. (340 x 570mm) Polar MN19S type engine made by British Polar Engines Ltd., Glasgow. 2,175bhp.
10.6.1963: Launched as DIDO by Charles Hill & Sons Ltd., Bristol (Yard No. 442) for the Bristol Steam Navigation Company Ltd., Bristol. 10.1963: Completed. 1970: Sold to Northern Steamship Company Ltd., Auckland, New Zealand. 1975: Sold to Metcalf Motor Coasters Ltd., (S. William Coe & Company Ltd., managers). 1977: Renamed GORSETHORN. 1978: Sold to Coe, Metcalf Shipping Ltd., (same managers). Subsequently chartered for offshore exploration work and had additional accommodation built on the after end of her superstructure. 1984: Company ownership passed from the Booker Group to James Fisher & Sons Ltd., Barrow in Furness. 6.1990: Sold to undisclosed owners, converted into a floating radio station, and renamed DEESSE DE LA DEMOCRATE. Flag not specified. 9.2009: Arrived for demolition in the Province of Taipei.

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6-cyl. 2 S.C.S.A. (600 x 1040mm) Sulzer 6RD60 type oil engine made by Wm. Denny & Bros. Ltd., Dumbarton. 2,700bhp. 12 kts.
10.10.1956: Keel laid as ELIZABETH BOWATER by the Caledon Shipbuilding & Engineering Company Ltd., Dundee (Yard No. 517) for the Bowater Steamship Company Ltd. (Furness Withy & Company Ltd., managers). 21.1.1958: Launched. 14.6.1958: Completed. 1963: Cayzer, Irvine & Company Ltd., appointed as managers. 1972: Sold Wimpey (Marine) Ltd., (George Wimpey & Company), converted into a drilling ship and subsequently renamed WIMPEY SEALAB. 1980: Sold to Coe, Metcalf Shipping Company Ltd., Liverpool, and renamed PHOLAS. 1995: Sold to DSND Survey KS, (DSND Offshore AS, managers), Norway / Bahamas, and renamed NORSKALD. 2000: Sold to DSND Shipping KS, (same managers). 12.3.2000: Laid up with surveys overdue. 2001: Sold for $1.1 million to Fugro Engineers BV, under Bahamas flag. 2002: Sold to Smedegaarden AS, Denmark. 12.11.2002: Arrived at Esbjerg. 2003: Sold to Latvian based shipbreakers, loaded with scrap metals, and May 2003 departed in tow for Liepaja for demolition.
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Thanks for the correction re Briarthorn/Wimpey Geocore Bill, you have given my memory a kick in the arus ! The Wimpey Geocore was, I think, an ex Everard ship they bought. This was after I had left Wimpey and gone back to sea proper with UBC and came across her when going up the North East coast, drilling off Sunderland.
I was also involved with the Wimpey Sealab when she came out and later whilst with UBC, saw her regularly laid up in Hull as the Pholas. She was converted to a drilling ship at Middle Docks on the Tyne and when I was visiting her in Middle Dock, I had to walk past the dock containing the Baltic Vanguard being lengthened by 60' and being renamed as the Cortes for the Mac run, I eventually spent quite some time as Mate on her much later, but little did I know then - small world as they say !
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hi mike, william j everard converted to wimpey geocore 1982
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hi mike, william j everard converted to wimpey geocore 1982
Thanks Joe, great forum innit ! Between us all I bet there is a vast fund of knowledge - some of it possibly useful

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Morning,the ex Cawood vessel was the Pinewood,recently went for scrap.Ted
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REDTHORN (3) (1990 - 2001)
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16-cyl. 4 S.C.S.A. (222 x 292mm) Blackstone ESL16MK2 type engine made by Mirrlees Blackstone (Stamford) Ltd., Stamford. 2,440bhp 12 kts.
2.12.1977: Launched as PINEWOOD by Scott & Sons (Bowling) Ltd., Bowling (Yard No. 454) for Cawoods (Northern Ireland) Ltd., Belfast.
3.1978: Completed.
1990: Sold to Coe, Metcalf Shipping Ltd., Liverpool, and renamed REDTHORN.
1.12.1995: Owners renamed James Fisher & Sons (Liverpool) Ltd.
8.3.2000: Owners renamed James Fisher (Shipping Services) Ltd.
1.2001: Sold to unspecified owners, and renamed TALAL, under Sao Tome and Principe flag.
9.2001: Sold to JTM Shipping Ltd, (Almina Shipping Ltd, managers) and renamed NEHMAT, under Tonga flag.
2003: Mody Shipping Company Sarl, appointed as managers.
1.2004: Sold to Aldebaran Shipping & Trading, (Thalatta Shipping Management, managers), and renamed ALDEBARAN under St Vincent & Grenadines flag.
3.2008: Sold to Wizard Shipping Company Ltd, (Island Navigators Management, managers), and renamed WIZARD under St Vincent & Grenadines flag.
7.2008: Sold to Author Shipping Company SA, Lattakia, Syria, (Island Navigators Management, managers), and renamed AUTHOR under St Vincent & Grenadines flag.
8.2008: Daleh Company for Maritime Services, appointed as managers.
26.1.2011: Arrived at Aliaga for demolition by Kiliclar SA.
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I sailed on the Christopher M between March & July 1973. I joined her at low tide at Shoreham. I could just make the housing out from the quay which was a bit of a shock as i just left a British tanker. We were engaged on a roadstone charter running from Teesport to Shoreham, Dover and on occasions Ipswich. She was looking a bit sorry for herself and was definately in need of a good painting. If i remember right she had a piece of her prop missing which caused her to vibrate some what. My over whelming memory was one of hunger. The feeding rate was pitifully low and the Cook had to be more than a bit creative in managing to feed us. The empty stomachs resulted in a night visit to an allotment in Dover (after a few pints) where the Kent constabulary nicked me covered in mud with a coat full of new potatoes. (ah such fond memories!!!) Once we lost the charter we became a coastal tramp and began to visit exotic places such as Denes quarry - Deptford Creek- Swansea-Portsmouth- Leith-Rouen-Antwerp-Coleraine-Goole & Ming Ming to name but a few. One trip I managed to set fire to the galley whilst trying to light the oil stove for the cook (soddin' thing!!!) The whole place was black, still the overtime was welcome as I had to souji and paint to redeem myself. Getting paid by the skipper weekly was also a novelty- i didnt save a penny. Despite it all it was a great experience and one i still remember to this day. But enough was enough and deep sea was calling.
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That remindesd me Dave of lighting that oil burning stove in the Peter M at 05.00 every morning. It was a bastard of a thing and took about half an hour to fire up.
Horrible ships, the space designated as the crew bathroom was used as a paint locker. We got washed in a bucket on the poop.
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I did a couple of trips on the Nicholas M in 1995, it was about 30 years old then DC power straight forward engineroom and more reliable than some of the more modern ships I have been on over the last few years, all in all decent company, at least they flew the red duster !!
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does anyone remember an AB from goole who sailed many years on metcalfs ships,,Danny Harvey,,his dad was capt in metcalfs also.
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does anyone remember an AB from goole who sailed many years on metcalfs ships,,Danny Harvey,,his dad was capt in metcalfs also.
Mick.
I remember Danny and his father John. Sailed with them on the HAWTHORN (ex Irish Heather) in 73. Also later on other Coes ships. Dont know what happened to them though. Last time saw John was in the 80s when I relieved him on later HAWTHORN and Danny on MAYTHORN, I think, about same time.
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