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Old 17th May 2019, 09:19
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Question The Fridge Flat.

The Fridge Flat, Just came into my head after 40 years.
What went on there, what was the plant used for? For me, it was just another place in the E/R with machinery in it.
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Old 17th May 2019, 09:28
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Depends what you were freezing. If a reefer then likely there would be more than just a fridge flat. Possibly compressor room, brine room(s), manifold centre and various other pieces of kit around the vessel. If what you are referring too is the domestic fridge the flat contained the compressors, condensors and distribution control gear for the domestic chill and freezer capacity as well as possibly the air conditioning but again that might have been located in another flat closer to the accommodation. Does that aid the memory.
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Old 17th May 2019, 09:49
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Depends what you were freezing. If a reefer then likely there would be more than just a fridge flat. Possibly compressor room, brine room(s), manifold centre and various other pieces of kit around the vessel. If what you are referring too is the domestic fridge the flat contained the compressors, condensors and distribution control gear for the domestic chill and freezer capacity as well as possibly the air conditioning but again that might have been located in another flat closer to the accommodation. Does that aid the memory.
I was mostly on tankers, though in my early days I was Bridge Messenger, and used to have to find various personnel in engine rooms. Being GP on tankers was my main thing though. I don't recall the Fridge Flat being a clearly defined area in the engine room. No sign saying "Fridge Flat" for example.
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We referred to an area in the ER as the fridge flat on the first VLCC I sailed on. It contained the compressors and condensers for the deep freeze, meat and veg rooms, as well as the accommodation air conditioning. Not a separate room, just part of a level containing other kit as well.
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On the Australia Star [1] the refrig engine room was level with the main engine tops, but separate from it.

Held the main CO2 compressors, condensers, oils separators, a small store / workshop, brine mixing tank and entry to the brine room, which held the evaporators, brine pumps and brine distribution manifolds.
Also two J.E.Hall methyl chloride domestic frig compressors, and a separate room housing the CO2 bottles and the fire protection system.

Each refrigerated cargo space had its own heat exchanger [brine coils] and dedicated air circulating fan.

In answer to the OP question 'what went on there' - not a lot!
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Old 17th May 2019, 12:33
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Fridge Flat, Purifier Flat, Workshop Flat, Boiler Flat. They were all there, but not actually named as such.

Some reefer ships had the fridge machinery completely elsewhere. The 'Polar' boats from Uiterwyk Lines had the reefer machinery within the mast houses.
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On the ACT 5 the freezer flat was on the Starboard Side upper deck of the Engine Room, Stahl Screw Compressors,Hamworthy Dolphin Brine Pumps.
No freezer watches as the fridge alarms were tied into the machinery plant.
Only ship l sailed on with a twin deck control room.
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Old 17th May 2019, 23:46
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The Fridge Flat, Just came into my head after 40 years.
What went on there, what was the plant used for? For me, it was just another place in the E/R with machinery in it.
Fridge flat on banana boats was almost no go area - frosty had slippers at entrance so no dirty bootmarks. Engineers didnt monitor anything as 2 frosty engineers, their problem!
MV Scythia, 5th engineer Ray overflowed cooling water system treatment dosing tank and made a mess of perfect green-painted floor plates. Had to scrape and repaint them in his own time!!
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Fully refrigerated Rangitane had separate fridge engine room and three watch keepers .machinery space was teak decked and more lab like than engine room.
Only drawback was that the main sanitary storage tanks were in the CO2 bottle store space and there had been an overflow on the previous voyage .
This third Freezer constantly tripped the float switches to ensure tanks never repeated that act in my time.
The Union co freighters only had Freezer and cooler space for shipboard crew catering but the watch engineers insisted that they had keys to same to enable temperature checks at all times.
Many a delicious ham and cheese sandwich arrived on the engine room plates for the motorman and I on the night 12/4.

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I sailed on the the reefer Loch Maree a couple of times. The first time (1977) we were running up from South Africa to Europe with oranges and apples. The freezer would have to open a box and stick a thermometer in a couple of apple and oranges. Once the box was was opened it could not be resealed as it would be under weight. The boxes were then put in the brine room at the forward end of the engine room, no scurvy on that ship.
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My last J&J Denholm ship. J&D Denholm (Reefer Division) !!!!
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Old 24th May 2019, 08:23
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Re Fridge Flat

My first trip to sea was as 3rd freezer on the SS Athenic. The fridge flat was located between the 2 steam boilers and it always amused me to be called fridge flat as it was one of the hottest places in the engine room I had towrap a cloth round my brow to stop the sweat dripping on the log book
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Old 24th May 2019, 09:42
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On the ACT 5 the freezer flat was on the Starboard Side upper deck of the Engine Room, Stahl Screw Compressors,Hamworthy Dolphin Brine Pumps.
No freezer watches as the fridge alarms were tied into the machinery plant.
Only ship l sailed on with a twin deck control room.
Are you sure the Compressors were not Howdens??
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Old 24th May 2019, 10:05
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In reply to 5 & Dannic, yes very little work went on there, the Chief Freezer would put all the jobs to be done on the work list for arrival in a UK port then clear off on leave. Condenser rodding if had to be done mid voyage would be done by the Fridge or Mains Greaser.
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I have seen a CRE open up a Halls 54 for survey, but they are spotless unlike a generator. Later on when the recips were replaced with Howden or Stal screw compressors and everything was push button and data loggers they dropped the 2nd Frosty and eventually the CRE, giving the job to the C/E.

Woe betide a if a mains Engineer traipsed through a fridge flat in his oily boots.

The only time a Frosty worked was when loading & discharging cargo and they would moan like mad having been up all night, yet never did when they had been in the bar all night.
You could always tell a Frosty by the pristine white boilersuit, followed by lecky, except on d.c. ships when he was forever pulling a motor apart or the starter switchgear, covered in carbon dust from the brushes and burnt contacts.
Give it a good wash down with Carbon Tet, Armacleaner.
Wonder what they use now as that was banned?
Unless these things don't happen and the 'lecky' is a 'geek'.
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Old 24th May 2019, 11:18
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The only time a Frosty worked was when loading & discharging cargo ....
You could always tell a Frosty by the pristine white boilersuit,...
I beg to differ... pic taken during repair of a busted fridge Brush diesel.
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And there was me thinking it was where the engineers chilled the after-watch beers
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Only if they asked nicely......................
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I beg to differ... pic taken during repair of a busted fridge Brush diesel.
I was talking post Brush Diesels, when everything was electrically driven.
If there any Starmen here, did they ever see Cmdr Burke ( think that was his name, coasting Frosty, with the monacle) get dirty?

There was some characters in those days. Snip Snip the lecky " That alarm won't bother you again" as he cuts the wires to it and tapes up the ends.
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On the Australia Star [1] the refrig engine room was level with the main engine tops, but separate from it.

Held the main CO2 compressors, condensers, oils separators, a small store / workshop, brine mixing tank and entry to the brine room, which held the evaporators, brine pumps and brine distribution manifolds.
Also two J.E.Hall methyl chloride domestic frig compressors, and a separate room housing the CO2 bottles and the fire protection system.

Each refrigerated cargo space had its own heat exchanger [brine coils] and dedicated air circulating fan.

In answer to the OP question 'what went on there' - not a lot!
Did 2 voyages on the RMS Deseado as 2nd.Freezer and your explanation pretty well sums up how it was on the Deseado.
Was also 4th & Jun.3rd on the Deseado, 2 years all told.
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Frozen reefer cargoes, had to take spear temperatures, handdrill into box followed by thermometer. However often got metal shavings as was canned corned beef!!
Oops
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[QUOTE=Brian Dobbie;2984753]Are you sure the Compressors were not Howdens??[/QUOTE They were Howden SRM machines come to think on it! Svenska Rotor Maskiner.
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Frozen reefer cargoes, had to take spear temperatures, handdrill into box followed by thermometer. However often got metal shavings as was canned corned beef!!
Oops
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Hmmmm. FrayBentos Corned Dog! Temperatures of canned corned beef was not even necessary!!!!!!


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Of course if someone takes a case or two to stick in the Steward's store. No problem!

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Hmmmm. FrayBentos Corned Dog! Temperatures of canned corned beef was not even necessary!!!!!!


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Of course if someone takes a case or two to stick in the Steward's store. No problem!
When I got canned, I only lasted a few hours.
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Hmmmm. FrayBentos Corned Dog! Temperatures of canned corned beef was not even necessary!!!!!!

Of course if someone takes a case or two to stick in the Steward's store. No problem!

Nobody ever transferred a case of fillet steaks , it was always lambs kidneys , sweatmeats etc 3-4 time a week on the menu disguised with a flowery fancy name. B*//* is b*//*, might be a delicacy in the Middle East but not in Grande Brittania. The French didn't call us Rost Boefs for nothing.
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Nobody ever transferred a case of fillet steaks , it was always lambs kidneys , sweatmeats etc 3-4 time a week on the menu disguised with a flowery fancy name. B*//* is b*//*, might be a delicacy in the Middle East but not in Grande Brittania. The French didn't call us Rost Boefs for nothing.
Oh well - maybe we just got lucky. Small freezer capacity on Maihar saw us take supplies out to Aden and Jeddah. Ice cream to Aden was a bit of a disaster as there was no capacity ashore for the volume we had and the agent made a bit of a hor**s ass of the discharge. Meant our Jeddah cargo was exposed to undue temps . All kit fired back up and everything checked out for arrival Jeddah when we were told the shoreside freezer capacity had not been built yet. Several flatbed trucks arrived to take what we had up to the palace and store what they could there. This left several hundredweight of "stuff" which the palace could not take. After we got away the contents turned out to be individualy prepared and wrapped sirloins. Several BBQ sessions later and many steak sandwiches for breakfast we were all a wee bit fed up with the beouf a la mode. All good stuff though. Slainte
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