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Old 18th May 2008, 19:22
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Can anyone remember what the rate of pay was a month for different ratings back in the 1947 thru 1954 era. I started off as a deck hand for 11 pounds a month than after a year I went below as a Fireman but I cannot remember what pay I was getting, I want to say 30 quid a month but my memory is failing me.

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Old 18th May 2008, 19:30
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Cat/boys were on 13.4/6 per month in 1958 if that helps. 11.00 seems a lot for 47-54?
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Old 18th May 2008, 19:42
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Thanks Ray. I rechecked some old documents and you are correct, I was making eight pounds a month as a deck boy,the eleven pounds included a bonus for various cargo we help trim,(Grain Maize). Any idea what Firemen were getting.

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Old 18th May 2008, 19:48
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I think around 22.00 per month in 1959 basic 56 hour week?.

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Old 18th May 2008, 20:20
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National Maritime Board Rates of Pay

The NMB rates of pay 1945 to 1953-4 were Deck Boy 7 per month, JOS 12 per month, SOS 16 per month, EDH, 1st year 20 per month and AB 24 per month. Overtime Deck Boy to SOS 1/6d per hour, EDH and AB 2/3d per hour. The above rates incorporated the war time bonus or danger money paid to British merchant seamen from 1939 i.e. Deck Boy 4 per month plus 3 war bonus, AB 14 per month plus 10 war bonus.
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Old 18th May 2008, 21:34
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In 1947 an ABs pay was 24 per month and 2 shillings [10p]an hour overtime.
A fireman/greaser received 24. 10 shillings per month.
A Bosun on cargo ships and tankers 27 per month but more when in passenger ships.
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Old 18th May 2008, 21:44
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The rates quoted by Stan are correct for foreign going ships,it was approx 4 per month more on coasters if not company feeding.
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Old 18th May 2008, 23:05
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Thanks Stan thats the info I was looking for and at 4 dollars to the pound we were in fat city until the devaluation hit us in Baltimore one trip just when we were getting our sub to go ashore, it went to $2.80 to the pound. That was in August of 1948 if my memory is correct.

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Old 22nd May 2008, 21:18
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The rates quoted by Stan are correct for foreign going ships,it was approx 4 per month more on coasters if not company feeding.
On "weekly" articles as Deck and crane boy in 45 I was paid about 3 5/- p/w, but supplied our own grub, bedding, pots and pans etc. Later D/B in 45 on "monthly" articles was paid 10, i.e. 5 wages plus 5 war risk. Overtime rate was 9 pence per hour. ABs were on 24 which included 10 war risk. Shipowners in 46 wanted to drop the war risk money i.e. drop an ABs pay from 24 to 14 but this would have created considerable hardship and was politically unacceptable .
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Old 23rd May 2008, 02:06
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I signed on Raranga as Trimmer Feb 1945 Timaru New Zealand wages were 14pound 10shillings +10pounds was risk a month...cleaning back ends 1pound +sunday at sea. Great days. Kenneth
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Seem to remember that the AB's rate of pay in 1953 was Pounds 28 10 shilling per month.* hours day of sailing and departure were not paid at O/T rates but as this is a long time ago it may be out.
Remember that that sailings/departures were timed so that the above came in to effect
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Old 29th May 2008, 14:05
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Queen Elizabeth 1966 before the strike, as a Fireman/Greaser I was on 28 a month and it was $2.72 to the .
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Stan and others are quite correct.Also the days of sailing and arrival had much relevance.And don't forget the old field days.I think they were abandoned in 1942 or 3.Pierhead Jumper.
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Old 3rd June 2008, 21:30
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Pierhead Jumper,
Field Days - what a travesty of working conditions they were,basically 8 hours overtime without pay.
In each week at sea an 8 hour day was worked making 56 hours,plus two four hour Field Days-total 64 hours before overtime was paid.
And we had a Seamen's Union!!!
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Queen Elizabeth 1966 before the strike, as a Fireman/Greaser I was on 28 a month and it was $2.72 to the .
best check to see if you've got any back pay,1966 28 pound a month ??? 1964 when i left for KIWI i was getting 48 pound a month/dom
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Old 5th June 2008, 03:51
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Hi , Pay I received as deckboy on "Pamir"1944 8pound two and six pence (NZ pound) a month, of this 1pound war risk and 1pound for all overtime worked. watches 4on 4off 7 days a week, we did get a day off in port for sundays at sea. Never regretted it. Kenneth
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Old 5th June 2008, 04:30
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Blue Funnel Midshipman's pay 1958 - 1962

1st yr 120
2nd yr 160
3rd yr 180
4th yr 260 pnds stg

total 720 pnds stg

Despite the fact that by the end of year 2 you'd have an AB's ticket and were worked as such.
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Old 5th June 2008, 08:50
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Interesting to read the various rates of pay quoted over the years spanning from 1944 through to the 1960’s.
When I joined the “Rangitane” as the junior engineer in 1957 and signed on at 37 pounds ten shillings a month all found, the NZ and UK pounds were at parity and the Australian pound was lagging at 16 shillings but although the sign on pay rate was less than I was receiving as a fifth year apprentice in NZ, the fact that it included full board and lodging at a good standard meant that it was not hard to endure.
Any financial hardship was entirely self inflicted by accepting the distractions of a passenger ship.

1958 saw me signed on NZ articles at an enhanced rate of about 65 pounds per month plus overtime for any hours worked outside the watch keeping times and with a day of accumulating leave for Sundays spent at sea. Mates were on similar schedules but received overtime for Sundays.
I have become curious as to how all these historical rates of pay compare to today and by Googling “measuring worth” I find calculators and tables showing the relative value of the British pound from 1830 through to 2006.

Year value Retail price index 2006 Average earnings index 2006

1945 1.00 pound 29.66 pound 94.25 pound

1955 “ 18.11 48.02

1960 “ 15.90 36.90

1970 “ 10.69 19.44

Hard to believe but that is inflation for you

My sign on rate of 37.5 pounds / month would equate to 1594 pounds / month in 2006

Kenneth Morley’s rate of 14.5 pounds /month in 1945 would come out at 1366 pounds / month in 2006

Confusing figures and perhaps not very meaningful but it does illustrate that the retail cost of living index has lagged the average earnings index by about 50%. This must only fairly apply if we lived our today’s lives as frugally as the past when few of us owned a car and there were no televisions, cell phones, computers, overseas holidays, heart transplants and all the current wants and must haves that financially burden most of our younger generations.
I don’t think that I have proved anything but the web site provides some interesting personal comparisons if you want to make them.

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hi john, i signed on as cleaner, engine room dept , on mv wanstead watts watts in 1961, my pay was 31 15s a month plus overtime and sundays at sea pay. stores.
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Old 3rd July 2008, 20:28
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My first pay as catering boy with Calmac on the 1964 Hebrides was 29.
I thought I was a millionaire. That was in 74.
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Old 4th July 2008, 17:44
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1949 Dor C Boy=7 month

1958 AB = 36.10s month.

I know ,I was there,and I still have the pay slip from the Athelsultan 1958.

My first ship, the Moorcot,away 18months,paid off Dover 20th December 1950
80 in big white fivers.
That was real money then.
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Old 4th July 2008, 18:13
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I too was AB in 58 but recall 36.00 per month. The 10s must have been a tanker bonus.
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1st. Year Apprentice with the Hain S.S. in 1958, 8-7-6d per month, however Overtime at 1/1d per Hour seemed to quell the proletariats rumblings.
Yours aye,
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Old 16th July 2008, 02:55
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Bill,
Was there ever such a thing as a tanker bonus? I can't remember.
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Old 16th July 2008, 03:07
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1st. Year Apprentice with the Hain S.S. in 1958, 8-7-6d per month, however Overtime at 1/1d per Hour seemed to quell the proletariats rumblings.
Yours aye,
Slick
1st Year Middy with Blue Funnel Jan 1959 Pnds 10-0-0d per month.
Pnds 720-0-0 for the 4 years.

NO overtime (go on and stop on)
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