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Old 31st May 2019, 16:39
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Nemedri

Abbreviation for Northern European and Mediterranean Routing Instructions. This book, published by the British Admiralty, lists all areas that still contain sea mines, as well as recommended routes.
I seem to remember as 2nd Mate in the sixties that I was always correcting the NEMEDRI booklet, sailing with Fyffes at the time we were chartered to Salem's and spent most of our time sailing to Germany and the Baltic....seems to be a long while ago and I have never heard of it since.
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Old 1st June 2019, 15:21
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I remember NEMEDRI very well! Even tho' well into my 70's I still ride the occasional vessel for short voyages doing Navigational Assessments for the operators. I haven't seen any mention of NEMEDRI on any of these vessels over the past 15 years. Most of the recent assessments have been on vessels which have a full digital library of BA publications AVCS and it does'nt appear in that either.
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Old 2nd June 2019, 09:34
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Thanks for that Chris.....I was very interested to hear what you had to say about vessels having full digital libraries now of latest publications. Into my 80s now,but memories of my seagoing days are still vivid in my memory.What I had for supper last night is the problem
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Old 2nd June 2019, 12:10
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Also not forgetting Chinpacs. didn't realise how many danger areas around Indonesia until I had to update them in the long and distant past.
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Old 2nd June 2019, 16:41
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Thanks for that Chris.....I was very interested to hear what you had to say about vessels having full digital libraries now of latest publications. Into my 80s now,but memories of my seagoing days are still vivid in my memory.What I had for supper last night is the problem
Regards Lloyd
These digital libraries are automatically corrected each week and include Notice to Mariners for any paper charts that are carried. All other charts are digital ENC vector charts used on the dual ECDIS as the primary navigation system. Most T&P Notices and NAVTEX warning are also received digitally and upload automatically onto the ECDIS equipment.
Without a paper chart on the chart table I find it quite difficult to maintain my situational awareness of where we are in relation to nearest coast and the route being taken.
It's very different to our seagoing days?
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Old 12th December 2019, 12:32
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NEMEDRI became obselete with the complete clearance of mines by the 1970s Upto that time swept channels were buoy marked for safety to be used by all vessels,prevalent in N.Europe coasts.
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Old 18th January 2020, 14:17
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Just had a look at my cadet record book, which surfaced during a tidy up, I note that task #255 understand use of NEMEDRI, was crossed out by the Mate on my 2nd trip (1978), and replaced by "Port Operations", the below task #256 understand use of CHINPAC (if carried) not filled at all.
Both of these tasks only required "considered satisfactory signature" and not the 2 x task performed boxes.

Not definite but looks like this version was probably published in 1973.
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Old 18th January 2020, 17:35
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NEMEDRI became obselete with the complete clearance of mines by the 1970s Upto that time swept channels were buoy marked for safety to be used by all vessels,prevalent in N.Europe coasts.
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Doug,
NEMEDRI may have been withdrawn in the 1970's, but the complete clearance of mines could not have been the reason. A recent thread on the LinkedIn Master Mariner Forum highlighted the problem of countless mines still being found in the Baltic during the Nordstream II project. There is plently of data to support these recent problems.
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Doug,
NEMEDRI may have been withdrawn in the 1970's, but the complete clearance of mines could not have been the reason. A recent thread on the LinkedIn Master Mariner Forum highlighted the problem of countless mines still being found in the Baltic during the Nordstream II project. There is plently of data to support these recent problems.
Chris
This is interesting as I was discussing pipe laying with a colleague yesterday, he had been Contractor's representative on a laying barge and they had difficulties with mines in the North Sea in the 1980's. Seemingly the concrete anchors had sunk into the mud and were not picked up by the side scan sonar surveys but the cables certainly interfered with the pipe laying progress!!
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Duncan,

Here are two of the links mentioned in the LinkedIn thread:-
https://www.thelocal.se/20090616/20102 and
https://portal.helcom.fi/meetings/SA...ty%20Board.pdf

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Thanks Chris, very interesting. and then we can add in the stuff that was supposed to be dumped in the Beaufort Dyke (But, because the dumpers were either on piece work or economising on fuel was dumped somewhere between the Dyke and Stranraer) that is now washing up in Galloway.
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These digital libraries are automatically corrected each week and include Notice to Mariners for any paper charts that are carried. All other charts are digital ENC vector charts used on the dual ECDIS as the primary navigation system. Most T&P Notices and NAVTEX warning are also received digitally and upload automatically onto the ECDIS equipment.
Without a paper chart on the chart table I find it quite difficult to maintain my situational awareness of where we are in relation to nearest coast and the route being taken.
It's very different to our seagoing days?
Cheers, Chris
As an engineer, those were not one of my responsibilities however, in a new life, NOTAMs (Notices to Airmen) were. One thing which irritated was the number of relatively inconsequential items amongst which could be buried something really important. Bear in mind that we'd turn up an hour before departure to have a look at NOTAMs, weather, fuel etc.

Did Notices to Mariners also have a plethora of obfuscating verbiage?
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After a coastal passage from Benghazi to Tripoli via Misurata in the early 80’s I was taken aback by a guest partaking a sneaky ‘wee one’ after clearing inwards. This coast, to the east of the airport all the way to Misurata had been mined, many years earlier. No one at the Embassy was aware of this danger, nor any Admiralty publication.
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