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Old 9th January 2017, 09:06
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Blue Funnel ship Phemius

Hi

I am hoping that someone maybe able to help.

My grandfather in law was Arthur Thomas Griffiths born in 1901 in Liverpool. According to the family history he served in the merchant navy for the Blue Funnel company in WW1. On his first voyage his ship was torpedoed off N Ireland whereupon he drifted in a boat with others for 3 or 4 days before being picked up by a fishing boat and landed at the island of Tiree off the west coast of Scotland.

I have searched the Blue Funnel records on line and found a ship called the Phemius which was torpedoed and sank off the NW coast of Ireland on the 4th June 1917.

Whilst the Phemius fits the information that I know, is this the ship that Arthur served on when it sank ?

I am hoping that someone may have access to a crew list or maybe able to point me in the right direction

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Old 9th January 2017, 10:05
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Greetings Colin and welcome to SN. Bon voyage.
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Old 9th January 2017, 11:41
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Colin,

Welcome to SN. Good luck with the research. Two others lost in 1917 by torpedo
off Ireland - Troilus off Malin Head and Calchas off Ireland.

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Old 9th January 2017, 20:56
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Hello Colin and welcome to SN,
I am on my way out at the moment and will reply in length concerning how to obtain Crew Agreements, unless someone else fills the void!
Just a couple of things.
I think this may be him re WW1 medals.

http://discovery.nationalarchives.go...ils/r/D8022284

you can download for £3.45

Also there may be a part record of him on the pay to view site Find my Past.
Born Liverpool 10/08/1901.
Rank Assistant Steward
Discharge A number 988743
There is also a photograph of him allbeit a mugshot.

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Old 10th January 2017, 06:25
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Thanks Hawkey01
I did consider the Calchas but thought it unlikely as that sank off the West coast and he was picked up off Tiree.
However I did not see the Troilus. After looking at the location of the sinking, this is more likely than the Phemius.
If anyone has access to either crew list it would be very appreciated

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Old 10th January 2017, 06:54
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Thanks Roger
I had his medal record but not his discharge record and to get his photo is fantastic. My mother-in-law will be amazed
If I am able to confirm the ship that would complete the picture. It looks like either the Phemius or now more likely the Troilus
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Old 10th January 2017, 19:39
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Hello again,
First off, The document I referred to on FMP is not his discharge record but his card CR10. No ships are recorded on there. Did you find it by the way.

I think you will be extremely lucky to find a crew agreement on line. You can but try.
Try a post on these forums.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/world-war-one/
http://uboat.net/forums/list.php?23
I understand that "Ancestry" has some crew agreements of Liverpool registered ships.
http://search.ancestry.com/search/db...h=Web+Property


If nothing found. For PHEMIUS official number 135515. Try here
https://www.mun.ca/mha/holdings/view...cial_No=135515
I think they charge $C40 Just ask them for the last crew agreement for 1917 and that all you want is the page which mentions Arthur Thomas Griffiths born in 1901 in Liverpool.

I cannot find a last crew agreement for TROILUS official number 135552.
CALCHAS official number 110586.
http://discovery.nationalarchives.go...ils/r/C2480658 ask for a quote in the same way as you asked at MHA/MUN

If ATG is not on the crew agreement of PHEMIUS or CALCHAS I think it would be safe to say he was on board TROILUS when she was lost.

Also contact Liverpool Maritime Museum to see if they have anything. If the charges at the British National Archives are too steep. Get back to us.

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Welcome Colin,

You may or may not have his CR2 card - if not I have transcribed it for you. The card will not be completely accurate as there were known mistakes and omissions on the part of the clerk at the Board of Trade.

SAMARIA - 11.6.1927
SCYTHIA - 30.7.1927
EURYMEDON - 9.6.1928
KEEMUN - 21.12.1929
DEUCALION - 3.1.1931
TROILUS - 26.1.1932
AENEAS - 28.1.1933
NESTOR - 10.8.1933
LAOMEDON - 12.6.1934
ASPHALLION - 25.5.1935
ANCHISES - 14.12.1935
MERIONES - 18.1.1937
PERSEUS - 14.8.1937
LAOMEDON - 21.1.1938

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Old 11th January 2017, 08:39
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Thanks for all the help

I shall continue my search using your suggestions

Is anyone able to confirm when the Troilus' maiden voyage was ? She was built in 1917 and sunk in May of that year. Was it her maiden voyage.

Thanks for the CR10 Roger. To get an photo almost 100 years old was great. I have other photos of him but at least 20 years more recent

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Old 11th January 2017, 11:52
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Colin,
No wonder I could not find a crew agreement for Troilus 1917. I gave you the O/N for the vessel built and lost in 1914! The correct official number for the TROILUS built in 1917 is 137543.
Her 1917 Crew agreements should be here.
http://discovery.nationalarchives.go...ils/r/C2480729
I would now ask TNA for a quote for this vessels Crew Agreement first. If they come back with a ludicrous quote just come back to us and I will give you a good researcher who's prices are sensible.
Sod it. I will send you a link to his website by personal message any way. It will be much easier ( and probably cheaper) for you.
Sorry for the mix up.
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