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Old 9th March 2007, 21:17
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Cool Social & Cultural Revelution of Mao tse Tung

I sailed on several Blue Funnel ships in the sixties and returned home with a poster of Mao tse Tung & his lapel badge .W e used to spread a giant size union flag on no 3 hatch while near China. One 3rd mate got sentenced to life imprisonment in Shanghai for spying . I think his name was Peter Crouch from Liverpool. I think he only served a couple of years though. Does anybody know the full story as I got it 2nd hand and facts do tend to get distorted. Has anyone still got his 'Book of Mao's' thoughts
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Old 10th March 2007, 23:47
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Thoughts of Chairman Mao

I do not have knowledge of the 3rd Mates sentencing however I have quite a number of Mao's booklets and also I have a little Red Book in English from 1967.

Ex Junior lecky Melampus 1967 [via Bitterlakes 1967

Mao chu che man su e {pheonetic chinese]
May Moe Tse Dung live for one thousand years.
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Old 11th March 2007, 21:12
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I do not have knowledge of the 3rd Mates sentencing however I have quite a number of Mao's booklets and also I have a little Red Book in English from 1967.

Ex Junior lecky Melampus 1967 [via Bitterlakes 1967

Mao chu che man su e {pheonetic chinese]
May Moe Tse Dung live for one thousand years.
Red Guard Chant
Bitterlakes,

Fortunately the evil bugger didn't make the 1,000 years, and with his passing the country started to advance!

Despite the fact that China has a long hard struggle ahead with many internal problems, I predict that the SN equivalent in 2207 will be in Chinese rather than English. Fortunately I will be long gone and won't have to learn it.

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Old 11th March 2007, 21:15
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I had the benefit of a trip to Shanghai during the Cultural Revolution 1964-65, and well remember the wrecked Christmas Dinner, the Red Guards actually burst in and stopped us during the Turkey course and ordered us out of the Saloon for a few hours on a freezing cold deck to be harangued by Red Guards about the virtues of the Great Leader and the Great Leap forward that China was undertaking.
You always felt that you were walking on egg shells and that a minor infringement would set it all off again.
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Old 12th March 2007, 13:53
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I have a very vague recollection of the incident and I think it was a second mate who was accused of being up to espionage when his story was he was merely making corrections to the charts. As I say my recollections are vague and my knowledge only second hand, but I did sail with several ex-Blue Flu people in Panocean and one of them told me that the guy was definitely up to something, albiet of a very minor nature.
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Old 12th March 2007, 17:41
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Wasn't there a Blue Funnel or Glen Line Master locked up in China during those dark days?

By the early '70s the Red Guard were just a bit of a pest - walking into your cabin for "a wide ranging discussion". I used to encourage this as I found it quite entertaining: "There are three things: Communism, Capitalism and Revisionism!" It turned out that "Revisionism" meant the "Polar Bear from the North" - the Russians, who were out of favour at the time. I could be wrong, but I think they were also knocking off cabin maps showing Taiwan in a different colour to China.

I recall having to have an armed guard with me while I performed repairs on the ships radar - not only did he not know what a "klystron" was, he couldn't even say it! The 3rd Mate got a gun pointed at him when he went to read the draft marks. Paranoia ruled OK.

An abiding memory of the Bund in Shanghai is the little steel pots with a foot pedal all along the footpath. I couldn't resist pressing a pedal with my foot, the lid opened and exposed about a pint of phlegm! Lovely. Let's hope they've sorted out that little problem before the Olympics.

Recently I met a Chinese student in Australia, complete with short shorts and enticing "decollotage". How she laughed when I told her about the blue suits of yesteryear.

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Old 12th March 2007, 23:35
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Usually called at Shanghai, Hsinkiang and Chingwangtao early sixties.
In Shanghai remember being collected at the gangway each evening and taken to the 'Friendship Store' which was reported to have the 'longest saloon bar in the world' no less. Every morning we 'the crowd' were assembled at No.4 Hatch (seamans house being abaft No.4 on the As) to mumble support for the regime whilst holding a very small 'Red Book' raised aloft in ones hand. In Hsinkiang, ALL hands had to use one WC to enable the Red Guards Medical Official to take a sample. One can imagine it was in ones own interest to go shortly after arrival otherwise ' that pyramid could get very close.
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Old 13th March 2007, 02:04
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[QUOTE=Hague;114609] "...In Hsinkiang, ALL hands had to use one WC to enable the Red Guards Medical Official to take a sample. One can imagine it was in ones own interest to go shortly after arrival otherwise ' that pyramid could get very close."

Imagine the memoirs of the Red Guard Pooper Scooper: "The Big Brown Book"!

I remember being bombarded with a barrage of patriotic music from the wharf. This may have been for the benefit of the Chinese wharfies rather than to annoy us, but, in retaliation I gave them a blast of Jimi Hendrix from the monkey island loud speaker. This only lasted for a few minutes, partly because of the angry glares from some of the crowd on deck, but also because I never could stand Jimi Hendrix.

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\About 1951 sometime before the Red Guards things were not much different.Went from Hong Kong to Tsingtao not thru the straits but around the outside of Taiwan.In Tsingtao armed guard on gangway & we were not allowed ashore.Bit of a shame it looked interesting with the German style buildings.Then onto Dairen.This was serious stuff,armed guards at gangway also bow & stern ropes.Not allowed ashore.Pretended to work on mainmast light to have a dekko over wharf sheds.The rail yards were full of wagons carrying tanks,guns & different types of motor transport.Chinese entered Korea within days.As we left bound for Chingwantao they started artillery fire which was a bit nerve wracking.At Chingwantao much the same,armed guards etc but the crew in two lots were allowed ashore for an hours walk protected from Nationalist agents by two platoons of armed soldiers.Again a bit of a shame as two old USSCo colliers were berthed ahead & would have liked to inspect them.At all ports Political Officers were aboard to look after our welfare.Asking if they had any old Time magazines brought forth a copious supply of propaganda material.It was not a pleasant three weeks & then we had the long haul to Rotterdam. Kiwi
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Re the question of maps with Taiwan/Formosa shown as a separate state, I was told, again by an ex-Blue Flu man, that he'd had his world map ripped from his cabin bulkhead apparently because it had Tibet shown as a country. Mark you he did also tell me that it was a Daily Telegraph World Map, so perhaps the Red Guard held similar views to myself in regard to that venerable publication.
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Old 13th March 2007, 10:24
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"...In Hsinkiang, ALL hands had to use one WC to enable the Red Guards Medical Official to take a sample. One can imagine it was in ones own interest to go shortly after arrival otherwise ' that pyramid could get very close."

Imagine the memoirs of the Red Guard Pooper Scooper: "The Big Brown Book"!

I remember being bombarded with a barrage of patriotic music from the wharf. This may have been for the benefit of the Chinese wharfies rather than to annoy us, but, in retaliation I gave them a blast of Jimi Hendrix from the monkey island loud speaker. This only lasted for a few minutes, partly because of the angry glares from some of the crowd on deck, but also because I never could stand Jimi Hendrix.

John T.
Perhaps you should have tried broadcasting The Shadows from the monkey Island taking great care not to play on of their hits named 'Frightened City'.
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I have quoted before on another thread, my father was on a BF in China when they took the 3E off to prison for insulting the Chinese nation.

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I was mate on a ship in the sixties chartered to the Chinese Govt. and running to Cuba. The only place we were allowed to go ashore was the friendship store and one evening the master, myself and the chief engineer went ashore in Chingwantao for a feed and a few bottles of the local beer. We purchased bicycles at the store and asked the red guards for permission to ride them back to the ship which was eventually granted. So, well oiled and with a red guard escort, we headed back to the ship. At the old man's signal we took off at full speed and all went down different little steets. It was great fun for a while with red guards going in all directions. All we got was a big lecture and the bikes were banned from further use. Thinking back, the consequences could have been far more serious.
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My recollections are that the Master was a J.C. Rae from Dundee, the Second mates name I Can't recall but he was married to Kate D'Arcy who used to work in the Middy's department at India Buildings. The quote at the time of their release, when asked if they would go back was "Not for all the tea in China"
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My recollections are that the Master was a J.C. Rae from Dundee, the Second mates name I Can't recall but he was married to Kate D'Arcy who used to work in the Middy's department at India Buildings. The quote at the time of their release, when asked if they would go back was "Not for all the tea in China"
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I served with Blue flue and while on a Glen boat (I think) in shanghai we had a Chinese worker killed when a winch that was heaving cargo hit a hatch beam lifting it out of its sockets ( I think it was only retained with rope at one end the sheared the bolt at the other) this fell into the hold and seriously injured one of the Chinese working below, the ships doctor was not allowed to attend to him and after several hour when there own doctor arrived he was dead, so was lifted out on a hatch board.
During the time he was lying injured the shore side speakers were pumping out propaganda and according to our Chinese crew we were the evil villains that had killed there gallant worker.

We all had a fear that the ship would be held there for a very long time, but this never came about.
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Been raking my memory - I think the ship was the Perseus around 1967/68
I sailed with J C Rae when he was mate on the Maron 1964
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Been raking my memory - I think the ship was the Perseus around 1967/68
I sailed with J C Rae when he was mate on the Maron 1964
Maron : Capt Davidson, C/Off Rae then Bold, Hartnett, Troup etc.....Bosun Mick McEwan Senior Middy Doug Jones, Second Bas Unite. Jimmy Turnbull etc
Hows that!!

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Pretty good
I can't remember the master's name, but the bosun was certainly Mick Mcewan, Other apprentices were Duncan Mclaren, A. J Mole, Bob Wyllie, Hugh Sparkall, John Levick and myself.
Lamptrimmer was a Chinese Scouse.

Doug Jones and Bas Unite I sailed with on the Machaon

Capt Davidson was on the Theseus when I was there


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Maron : Capt Davidson, C/Off Rae then Bold, Hartnett, Troup etc.....Bosun Mick McEwan Senior Middy Doug Jones, Second Bas Unite. Jimmy Turnbull etc
Hows that!!

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Pretty good
I can't remember the master's name, but the bosun was certainly Mick Mcewan, Other apprentices were Duncan Mclaren, A. J Mole, Bob Wyllie, Hugh Sparkall, John Levick and myself.
Lamptrimmer was a Chinese Scouse.

Doug Jones and Bas Unite I sailed with on the Machaon

Capt Davidson was on the Theseus when I was there
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To be more PC that 'Chinese Scouse; lamptrimmer was Norman Wong (Changed his name to Norman Morley on becoming Bosun around 1967.

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arrests in Shanghai

Think 2nd mate was Peter Duffy or Duff
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sailed with Master J C Ray in 82, Phrontis.
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sailed with Master J C Ray in 82, Phrontis.
He must have been close to retirement Makko.
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Probably was, if it was the same Master, as this was the last voyage of the Phrontis (ex-Pembrokeshire) for OTT. We were laid up in Singapore pending sale of the vessel. I joined Antwerp 26-12-81 and signed off Singapore end 02-82.

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