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Old 23rd August 2008, 14:26
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British Trent ... near disaster

With so many postings on disasters or near disasters...I wonder if anyone else remembers or knew about one on the British Trent in September 1975?

The Br Trent was port side alongside in Bandar-Mahshahr loading naphtha, supervised by myself as Third Mate..
It was about 7:30pm and a film was being shown in the officers bar, when the Texaco Liverpool came up-stream with tugs and swung off the berth to go st'bd side to in front of the Trent.
As she swung and came astern, she had an engine failure and just continued 'reversing' onto the main deck of the Trent!

The deck of the Trent cracked open like an eggshell around 3-4 st'bd wing tanks, which fortunately were both empty & fully inerted.

Chaos followed (ashore, not on board!) .... and eventually the Trent had to discharge all cargo from the centre tanks, then tank clean, inert & eventually gas free.
She was then escorted to Bahrain by a tug...where 3 railway lines were welded across the main deck split, and another 4 across the split on the side of the hull.
A trip back through Suez followed at slow speed terminating in a dry-docking in Amsterdam for full repairs.
All the way back we daily measured the cracks in the deck plating, marking their progress with a chalk line!!

Fortunately the weather was fair for the trip back or she could have lost her life not once, but twice in 1975!

The Master was Roger 'Ned' Larkin (with wife Anna), can't remember the Mate, but the 2nd Mate was Peter Giffen.
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Old 23rd August 2008, 17:34
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Derek - interesting post - I'm more than suprised that Bahrain had any railway lines, they don't have a rail system!!
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Old 27th November 2008, 09:34
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For what it's worth there's an account of the British Trent/Western Winner disaster in an audio podcast at http://www.maritimeaccident.org/abou...e-church-bell/
Very nasty incident.
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Old 28th November 2008, 16:28
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Thanks for that....I see it mentions the Texaco Liverpool incident there.
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I remember the British Trent in collision with another ship off the Belgian coast, can't remember the year, but we could see the burning ship when leaving Zeebrugge.
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Just listened to the podcast of the British Trent / Western Winner collision.
I won't make any comments on it, but needless to say I'm extremley upset to learn the details of the incident, and the loss of so many good men.
I saw the event on the news, but knew no more than that about it.
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Old 23rd May 2009, 15:00
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With so many postings on disasters or near disasters...I wonder if anyone else remembers or knew about one on the British Trent in September 1975?

The Br Trent was port side alongside in Bandar-Mahshahr loading naphtha, supervised by myself as Third Mate..
It was about 7:30pm and a film was being shown in the officers bar, when the Texaco Liverpool came up-stream with tugs and swung off the berth to go st'bd side to in front of the Trent.
As she swung and came astern, she had an engine failure and just continued 'reversing' onto the main deck of the Trent!

The deck of the Trent cracked open like an eggshell around 3-4 st'bd wing tanks, which fortunately were both empty & fully inerted.

Chaos followed (ashore, not on board!) .... and eventually the Trent had to discharge all cargo from the centre tanks, then tank clean, inert & eventually gas free.
She was then escorted to Bahrain by a tug...where 3 railway lines were welded across the main deck split, and another 4 across the split on the side of the hull.
A trip back through Suez followed at slow speed terminating in a dry-docking in Amsterdam for full repairs.
All the way back we daily measured the cracks in the deck plating, marking their progress with a chalk line!!

Fortunately the weather was fair for the trip back or she could have lost her life not once, but twice in 1975!

The Master was Roger 'Ned' Larkin (with wife Anna), can't remember the Mate, but the 2nd Mate was Peter Giffen.
Thank heaven for inert gas systems. A BP invention I believe...... Great protection against internal explosions I suppose, but not much good for an external explosian or collision.
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Old 26th May 2009, 16:06
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The British Trent was struck by the Western Winner 3rd June 1993, with the loss of 9 from the British Trent.
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I have the feeling that the loss of the Crown at Umm Said in August 1966 was motivation to produce the inert gas system

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Old 26th May 2009, 21:05
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remember an incident at fawley refinery 1989.mobil petrel discharging crude.she suffered major structual failure in two adjacent cargo tanks.causing flooding to the e/r and pumprom.believe it was caused by over pressurisation of one of the cargo ballast tanks.an inert gas branch line ,had been unintentually operated preventing adequet venting of the tank,causing an implosion.
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Old 3rd October 2009, 17:34
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I think that BP bought the inert gas system of Sun Oil, from the USA.
The 1966 British Crown affair did change tanker safety practises. I think BP bought the Mine Safety Appliances safety procedures and put them in a green cover with BP on the front. I think that the BoT had had enough of oil tankers going bang and told the UK tanker owners that if they couldn't put their own house in order, the Bot would do it for them. They all took the hint.
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remember an incident at fawley refinery 1989.mobil petrel discharging crude.she suffered major structual failure in two adjacent cargo tanks.causing flooding to the e/r and pumprom.believe it was caused by over pressurisation of one of the cargo ballast tanks.an inert gas branch line ,had been unintentually operated preventing adequet venting of the tank,causing an implosion.
Was the ship involved not the Mobil Magnolia? or am I thinking of a similar event.
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Old 8th October 2009, 23:55
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Not sure if you are interested but I sailed with Peter Giffen in the mid 90's on the Iolair - he was nicknamed Biffo then and did a trip as Master / OIM.

I actually sailed on the Trent twice back in the early 80's doing the West Africa stuff (Cotonu / Lagos etc).
Old man then was Lenny McGeoch, not sure who was on the second time I was on there.

Was quite a shock to hear about the Trent on the radio at home on the day that it happened and as always I think 'There but by the grace of God go I'

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Old 9th October 2009, 19:03
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Hi Alan

I have been in touch with Peter recently, he still works for BP and still lives in Broadstairs, Kent!

Didn't know he had made Master though!

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Old 9th October 2009, 21:53
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Not sure if he would like me telling you this but it happened I think as a result of one of the permanent OIM / Masters wanting to have Christmas at home .... Peter had the appropriate tickets .. was on the spot ... therfore became an instant Master.

I believe he is still doing the Fire and safety stuff, just hope his beard hasn't turned the same colour as my hair!!!

If you speak to him again pass on my best regards

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Old 15th October 2009, 16:37
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I will certainly do that.

I am sure he wouldn't mind you passing that info on now .. long time ago and much water has flowed!!
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Old 17th October 2009, 13:56
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dwd et al,

The 1966 British Crown explosion was not the reason for BP's interest in IG.
They had been working on IGS since at least 1961,
but the motivation was corrosion reduction in crude carriers.
By 1963 all their new crude tankers had IG.
The Crown probably awakened them to the safety value.
In 1968, they fitted their 1st product carrier with IGS.

IGS was indeed developed by Sunoil prior to WW 2.
The original BP system was a slight modification of the Sunoil system.
See BSRA Report 268, Heywood et al, 1969.

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THe "British Soverign" was the first ship fitted with a working IG system in the early 1960's, I sailed on her as second off, chief off was Sid Garratt and the old Pinkney, loaded her last cargo at Umm Said on the day Sunderland won the FA cup, over half the ship were North Easters, we had mad couple of days of celebration, discharged the cargo at Genoa and handed her over to the Greeks. Spelling most probaly awful.
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A lot of your North Easters were probably barcodes, monkey hangers and smoggies, who where taking advantage of Sunderland's glory. Won't be happening this season, mind.

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Was the Captain at the time of the Trent incident Cpt Montague ? if so was with him on the Respect when we got hit up the gulf in 87.
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Was the Captain at the time of the Trent incident Cpt Montague ? if so was with him on the Respect when we got hit up the gulf in 87.
He was indeed the OM on the Trent when it got hit by the Western Winner.
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I think that BP bought the inert gas system of Sun Oil, from the USA.
The 1966 British Crown affair did change tanker safety practises. I think BP bought the Mine Safety Appliances safety procedures and put them in a green cover with BP on the front. I think that the BoT had had enough of oil tankers going bang and told the UK tanker owners that if they couldn't put their own house in order, the Bot would do it for them. They all took the hint.
Yup, Sun Oil first put it on their ships in the 1930s. BP test installed it on the 28,000 Br. Skill & 32,000 Br. Sovereign in the fifties, not as a safety measure but in the belief that minimising the O2 percentage would reduce corrosion!
Thereafter 42,000 Br. Prestige got it in 1960, then the 50s got it, then the Mariner, Ensign & 'C' class, all in service before the 'Crown went up. And, of course, BP were sitting very pretty when Shell VLCCs invented internal lightning in 1969 & the BoT banned the use of guncleans until IG was installed.
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Hello Derek,

Yes, I remember the incident at Bandar Mashahr. I was 2/O on the British Aviator and we were on a regular run , taking fuel oil from Bandar Mashahr and "spiking" VLCC cargoes with it by discharging into them at anchor in the middle of the gulf. I am afraid that we had a little rhyme about the Trent of "British Trent - came in straight and went out bent". I believe that we arrived after the incident was over, but the Trent was still alongside at that time and our C/E etc went over to see if they could help.

Did you ever get ashore to see a film at the seaman's mission in Bandar Mashahr? That was fun as you got the added entertainment of some very large shoreside flying beetles being attracted by the lights and ricocheting off members of the audience in the dark!

I was very sorry to hear about the Trent at Wandelaar , which was a lethal place in fog. I sailed on cross channel ferries later and (on the rare occasions that we had to pick up a Pilot) always treated the Pilot station approach with even greater care than we had before the Trent.

One of the VLCCs that we "spiked" out in the gulf with Bandar Mashahr oil was a French BP Tanker and our Chief Steward could never got over the fact that they had 20 tonne wine tanks on board. If he could have made them a standard fitting on UK BP Tankers then he would have! <smile>


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Texaco, Esso, Total, and Shell; French and Italian flagged/manned tankers were fitted with wine tanks, red and white! Tonnage varied but 20 tons(20.000Litres) was common enough. As far as I know tanks never caught on with cruise lines as the Pax tended to be too particular. I've never has a bad glass of wine out of a ship's wine tank, mostly they've tasted better than some shore side bottled stuff.
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