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Old 20th July 2008, 19:05
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Trinder Anderson

I am seeking information on the history of Trinder Anderson ,managers of the Avenue Line.(NZSCo).
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Old 21st July 2008, 03:34
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You will find alot of info on them at
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Old 22nd July 2008, 15:05
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OJ Trinder and JR Anderson were clerks for Anderson, Anderson & Co, managers of the Orient Line. They left in 1874 to form Trinder, Anderson & Co. They had interests in the Queensland emigrant trade in the 1870’s and in the 1880’s became interested in the WA trade. They were shareholders in WA SN Co formed in 1886. Trinder Anderson owned the Australind S Sg Co (Federal had a minority stake), formed 1904 for trading between WA and SE Asia (hence the name AUSTRALia-INDies). The Federal-NZS link was expanded when Trinder Anderson managed the NZS ships assigned to the MANZ Line (Montreal-Australia-NZ) from 1936-66. They were also appointed managers of Avenue Sg Co which was registered 4 Sep 1954 as a subsidiary of NZS to operate non-fully reefer ships (4 of them). Avenue was folded into the P & O General Cargo Division from 1 Oct 1971. They also seem to have had connections with companies such as Houlder and Scottish Shire, presumably as loading brokers.
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Old 22nd July 2008, 20:18
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Thanks for info.The history of shipping companies is certainly a most convoluted subject.
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Old 24th July 2008, 04:56
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Whats your interest in Line Geoff? I was on Antrim and Donegal for a few trips.Did you sail with Trinders at all? Cheers Dave
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Old 24th July 2008, 07:18
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Hi Geoff,

Excellent full company history and and 24 photos in "Ships in Focus" (Issue number 1).

Best Regards

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Old 24th July 2008, 08:49
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I went to Wellington thinking I was to join an NZS ship. It was the Galway that I joined. Still NZS by some of the P and O confusing system. Apart from the Galway I sailed on the Ashburton, the Araluen, and coasting in the UK on the Donnegal. Nothing like wondering what colour your next ship will be. ( turned out the USSco, differerent green in NZ, but still P and O)
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Old 24th July 2008, 09:15
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Also a good history of fleet and pictures of all the Avenue Ships in Crossed Flags, publication put out by World Ship Society a few years ago on the history of N.Z.S.Co, Federal and their subsidiaries. Dave
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Old 24th July 2008, 18:49
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I was in NZSCo & Federal ,we used to see the "K" boats from time to time but never really understood the connection.Then "Enton" appeared but only for a short time,the next time I saw her she was in Avenue colours and had been renamed.
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I was on the Antrim when they changed her to P&O colours in Hull. Cheers janathull
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Old 25th July 2008, 10:16
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Thats when her and others lost their own identity and wore those horrible P&O colours. I sailed with Captains Luck and Murray and Bosun Wally Green on Antrim and guy called ? Fraser was Bosun on Donegal. Any names ring a bell janathull? Cheers Dave
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Old 25th July 2008, 21:02
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Trinder Anderson.

Birt,Potter,and Hughes established Federal Steam in the 1800s.
They took delivery of "Enton" in the 1950s.
What were they doing for the rest of the time,and who were they?
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Old 26th July 2008, 00:42
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Geoff - I have on occasion tried to find out more about Birt, Potter & Hughes with little success. As you say, they were behind the formation of Federal in the late 1800's and their name does reappear in 1924-1934 as the owners of the old Avenue Shipping Company, although they only had two ships, the old Enton and the Winton. Allan Hughes was Managing director and a large shareholder in Federal and in 1912 Federal's fleet of 10 ships was absorbed into NZS by an exchange of shares. He joined the board of NZS and became Chairman in 1920, a position that he retained until his death in 1928. He played a leading part in the development of the Australian and NZ shipping trade and under his chairmanship NZS expanded and progressed. The only other mention I can find for Birt, Potter and Hughes is as owners of Enton 1952-55 but by then P & O had a shareholding in them. I have been unable to find out the part played by Birt and Potter, perhaps they disappeared from the scene at a very early stage and Allan Hughes retained the company name.
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Hi Dave, Had a look in my book bu its signed by the chief steward called Stevens. Cant remember who was there but the bosun was a geordie. Cheers janathull
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Old 27th July 2008, 13:32
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Brian,
Birt Potter & Hughes was an amalgamation of 3 companies--J Gavin Birt & Co, John Potter & Co and Allport & Hughes (of which Allan Hughes was a partner)--in 1895. Incorporated as Birt Potter & Hughes Ltd. on 25 Feb 1898. Other than the limited shipowning you mention my guess is that they acted primarily as agents. Certainly Birt & Co. the Australian arm was a major agent for many years. (Info derived from "Crossed Flags" referenced in an earlier post)
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I was on the Antrim when they changed her to P&O colours in Hull. Cheers janathull
I joined the Antrim as an EDH 14/4/75 in Sunderland payed off Tilbury 19/5/75 rejoined her as the Strathinch 27/5/75 and was on board her at the changeing of the colours,payed off Avonmouth 22/10/75,so maybe we sailed on her the same time Janathull.
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Joined the Australind in Sunderland Nove 61 out to Kiwi and back june 62, Nice ships.
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Who has information on the "mv WESTMEATH", built in 1939 by "Stephen", Linthouse yard, under the name KAIPAKI

1955 Westmeath, (Trinder Anderson) B.U.: Antwerp 8.11.1962 by J. de Smedt

Who was bulding the DOXFORD Engine with how many cylinders?

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Not long ago I got a letter from an 94 years Australian engineer
Yes, 94 years of age and still in a very good shape, perhaps from the “sea breeze”

He had made a trip with the mv WESTMEATH (Trinder Anderson) with a lot of trouble with fuel, which was all “mousse”

I will come back later what the reason was from that “mousse” (Chocolate color of the Fuel)
Perhaps, meanwhile, one of the engineers on this forum has experience with this “mousse”
I hope that they will react with their experience !

His letter:
<quote> I was fortunate enough in the early days of qualifying for my Certificates
to have sailed in several ships with older type Doxford engines.
Firstly I spent several years on the so called "economy" ships powered by
three cylinder units. These engines built on cast iron columns and
entablatures were the quietest I have ever encountered if not for the thump
thump thump of the scavenge pump. They were also most reliable.
Then they started to build fully welded engines and fitted them into fully
welded hulls and they became as noisy as any other make of engine.
The only complaint I have regarding all of these engines is that when they
age and wear takes place particularly on camshaft bearings the shaft drops
below design height and you can no longer set the fuel valves to the maker's
manual and must resort to indicator cards.
I must confess that I was never really comfortable manoeuvring these engines
as to turn the fuel pressure wheel and push the fuel lever to and fro is
somewhat similar to patting your head and rubbing your belly and at 94 I am
still not proficient in doing that!
I have been looking for some time for somewhere to make these simple
observations and trust this happens to be the right place
</quote>

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Old 8th September 2014, 08:28
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In regards to Trinder, Anderson, Avenue Shipping, does anyone know when P&O painted out the Avenue colours on the funnels. In Crossed Flags book it states that in 1971 the Antrim, Donegal and Galway passed into P&O management and that by March 1972 the new P&O livery was complete. I was on Antrim and Donegal from October 1971 to March 1973 and we flew the P&O flag along with Avenue flag but still retained Avenue colours. I know they got the full P&O paint job when they where renamed with Strath- names in 1976 but have never been able to find out when or if they did get colour change while still sailing with their Avenue names. Thanks Dave
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L.S.

Who has information on the "mv WESTMEATH", built in 1939 by "Stephen", Linthouse yard, under the name KAIPAKI

1955 Westmeath, (Trinder Anderson) B.U.: Antwerp 8.11.1962 by J. de Smedt

Who was building the DOXFORD Engine with how many cylinders?

regards
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mv Westmeath
built as Kaipaki, with a 4 Cylinder Doxford LB type, built by BARCLAY Curle & Co Ltd, Glasgow
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Old 17th August 2015, 11:56
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Hello, I have just found this site , my father was Capt John Wood ( Arran, Scotland ) who as far as I can find out / remember, he was chief officer on the Kiamata during the war and Master of the Australind 3 and the Armagh he did his last voyage on the Roscommon just before he died in Liverpool in 1961 aged 49 when I was 10. As far as I can remember he did most of his work for Trinder Anderson.
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Old 18th August 2015, 17:45
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I'm glad I left Stricks when the ships were still adorned with red and blue chevrons. They were a good company as well, despite the initial voyages to the Persian Gulf, which I didn't mind. It allowed me to save up for better places like Mauritius and South Africa ! It would be interesting to know how Strick Line stalwarts fared when P & O took them over.
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Old 18th August 2015, 18:02
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Hi
My brother Peter Grant joined Trinders in 56 and his last trip ended in 64 he was in the Ajana,Donegal,Australind and Limerick
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Hi Granty do you know when your brother was on the Donegal my Dad was on her 58/59
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