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Old 21st July 2012, 15:19
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Mike I was in Jardines 1962 to 1964, I remember the girls from the BMH used to come down in Singapore and the girls from the British Embassy also in Rangoon. The parties on the Australian coast were also good.In Shanghai we used to put our tape recorders up to the porthole windows and play Rule Britannia loudly to watch the red guards come running and then stop playing before they reached the gangway. Luckly they did not catch anyone.
Sorry Gary, I should have read your posting properly ! It was the replies you got that were from a later period, it sounds as though we were on the same runs but different ships. We also used to play silly buggers with the Red Guards but eventually they would wear us down, what with the non stop snake of chanting guards all day interspersed every few yards with trishaws with the drums and a couple of cymbals boom, boom, chinging away. Then with hardly a pause the big old white salvage tugs covered with the night shift guards blasting away all night through loud speakers on the other side ! Mind you after reading what happened to Robert Macdonald, we were lucky to have got away with our little gestures of defiance !

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Old 21st July 2012, 16:49
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Mike - M.H'-D.N.- H.K-.C.H. were all of my era with the firm!!Regards
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Old 21st July 2012, 20:16
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Hello Teb, please don't think I am trying to be smarta-se or anything it was just that your active service statement on the left said 43 to 52 and Robert was referring to something that occurred in the early 60's.
I count my time with Jardines as the best period of my career, but that was down to sailing with a great bunch of blokes on some nice ships. I wouldn't consider any shipowner to be above reproach and any or all of them would crap on the sea staff without a second thought if it would save a few pounds !

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Old 21st July 2012, 22:57
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I-C Days

Like Mike-K I regard my time with IC as best years of my time at sea sailing on nice ships and with great bunch of guys.

The rot started with retirement of Herries as Taipan and George Lawson as Shipping Manager.

My disillusionment started with the way 3 Masters who I had sailed with and respected were forced out rather shabbily.

Bartlett was forced to retire because when he was on Eastern Queen he got on the wrong side of old Puritan Hamilton Sleigh who was half owner of the Queen.
Bartlett I regarded as the best Master I had ever sailed.

Maxie Groundwater was retired after the grounding of Eastern Argosy in Barrier Reef. I had just left Argosy 10 days before and all the Deck Officers except the Mate Ken Millar were replaced, none of the replacements had been through the Reef before and 2 had never sailed with radar. The Gyro was dead as IC had decided not to spend any more money on repairs. Pressure was being put on Masters to do their own pilotage through the Reef and Groundwater was to be first. In a way like Titanic it was an accident waiting to happen.

Terry Nicholls I had sailed with on Eastern Maid and liked. For some offence unknown he was banished to the H boats and relived me as Master of Ho Sang and I went into IC office, Jack Marshall was acting Marine Super but I was directly answerable to Herries. Next call in Hongkong when Ho Sang was ready to sail Terry was missing and mate phoned me up and asked where Terry could be but phoning around regular watering holes failed to find him. Apparent fell under the spell of a nubile Sabra from Tel Aviv and slept in. I got a phone call from Marshall telling me to go on board and take the ship to sea. I was just changing into uniform ready to go on Bridge when Terry reappeared, I told him I would slipped into boat and go ashore and say I had arrived too late but one of the spies How had already reported my comming aboard and although I spoke To Jack Marshall and pleaded with him to let Terry take the ship he said the order to relieve Nicholls came from Newbigging and was not negotiable. I personally liked Terry, Marshall and Newbigging so it was not a situation I liked being put on.

David Newbigging was joint Taipan with Henry Keswick after Herries retired but was forced out after a rather tawdry power struggle with the Keswicks.

The Keswicks bitterly opposed the handing back of Hongkong to China and feuded with Chris Patten the last Governor.

One of the subjects the Red Guards repeatedly brought up was Jardines involvement in the drug trade and Opium Wars as did the negotiators for the handover in 1997.

After the Opium War the Great White Queen decreed no Taipan of Jardines be knighted whilst in office, this held true till handover. John Keswick was knighted but he worked all his like in Matheson & Co in London. Henry Keswick was knighted when he left and worked in London as were Herries and Newbigging.

Swires had kept clear of dealing in foreign mud so the Swire brothers John and Adrian were knighted whilst heading Swires in Hongkong before they retired.

Interestingly through his father PM David Cameron was employed for three months in Hong Kong by Jardine Matheson as a 'ship jumper', an administrative post.

Like Cameron Harries and the Keswicks had all gone to Eton although at different times.

On my second ship as a Cadet in BI the NOWSHERA we had an Eton old boy. a newphew of P&O Chairman Lord Innchcape, George was an affable like guy, his mater decided Eton life didn't really equip one for life outside the Classics and there was no Empire left to build. The Mate under dire threat of hell and brimstone warned us not to corrupt George but alas he fell to sins of the flesh on the Continent. Met George a couple of years later in Prospect of Whitby watering hole, he was by then in P&O Office and on arm of Sloane Ranger mistress
and by then a polished man of the world.

Like Mike I endorese his remarks re shipowners. My last few years at sea were spent with P&O subsiduary E&A and P&O did several dishonouarble deeds to sea staff without btting an eyelid.
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Old 22nd July 2012, 00:05
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Ken Miller was CHief Officer of Eastern Glory when I was there. He said my marriage would not last ,I have only been married 48 years it did not last.
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Old 22nd July 2012, 02:09
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Ken Millar - the Oxford Don

I sailed with Ken [the Oxford Don !!] twice on Eastern Star and Eastern Argosy. Last time I saw Ken was at Jardines famous New Year Party. We were standing with George Lawson and Parish when a very drunk Lenny Burn passed with a strikingly good looking Yankee lass in tow propping him up and with an equally drunk Peter Ballantyne. Lawson enquired whether Lenny was sea staff which Parish vehemently denied although Parish had told me the day before that Lenny was joining me on Eastern Rover. The highlight of the party was the firing of the noon day gun at midnight, the Chairman of Swire’s wife was to have the honour of firing the gun which she did to accompaniment of Lenny passing out over the gun barrel. Ken I last heard of had joined Sanko Line. Peter Ballantyne became a Queensland pilot and then a Melbourne pilot.

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Old 22nd July 2012, 02:12
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The moral bankruptcy of shipowners

Mike’s remarks about shipowners brought to mind that in early 1960s Jardines wanted to gain 100% control of Indo-China and a widow in UK held a parcel of shares they wanted. As she had been left them by her husband she refused to sell them. Jardines inferred they were worthless claiming I-C profits for the year were only £1 despite the ships mostly being full and down in most trades. I-C had a likeable Irish rake as an accountant who was a wizard at cooking books, his penchant for being face down in Wanchai gutters led to his being banished to Jardines in Japan where he was given a suitable bride. Once a year he was dusted off and brought to Hongkong to work his magic with the book cooking. The widow’s lawyers smelt a rat and took up the case with London Stock Exchange who demanded to see the books. Not sure what the outcome was probably had to cough up a decent sum for the shares.

For those interested in Jardines history Maggie Keswick wrote a great book THE THISTLE AND THE JADE, David Newbigging kindly sent me a copy when I had suggested a history of Indo-China itself along the lines of E&A’s history LION OF THE CHINA SEA. It is lavishly produced with pictures and has about a dozen pages on Indo-China. Wikipedia has also got a good history of the Noble House.

Sir Henry Keswick
Tony Keswick's son, Young Henry, born 1938 as Henry Neville Lindley Keswick, joined Jardine's in 1961 and was assigned to the firm's offices in Hong Kong, Singapore and Malaysia. He was made a Director in 1967, Senior Managing Director in 1970 and Chairman in 1972. He retired as Senior Managing Director and Chairman in 1975. He returned to London and is the current chairman of Jardine Matheson.

Sir John Chippendale Keswick
Sir Chips Keswick, Tony Keswick's second son who was born in 1940, was not associated with Jardine Matheson but instead with the London merchant bank, Hambros.

Simon Keswick
Young Henry's youngest brother, Simon Keswick, born 1942, also joined the firm in 1962 and a Director in 1972 but left Jardine's in 1977 to join his brother at Matheson & Co. He returned to join Jardine's again in 1983 as Senior Managing Director and then Chairman after his father managed to remove the former managing director David Newbigging. Simon Keswick started the restructuring of the company becoming more international rather than tied to Hong Kong.
Simon Keswick retired as Tai-pan in 1988 after seeing the firm's holding office redomiciled to Bermuda and restructuring the firm's senior management organization.

David Newbigging
Joined Jardines in 1954 and was MD from 1970 to 1985. His father had been a Director from 1938

The Hon. Sir John "The Younger" Keswick (1906–1982)
John followed his brother to the far east in 1929, and replaced him in Shanghai after the shooting incident. He fled the city when the Japanese took the city. He escaped to Ceylon (Sri Lanka) and served during the war with Admiral Lord Louis Mountbatten's staff. John Keswick returned to Shanghai after the war to organize in the rebuilding of Jardine's office and to reestablish the firm's trading links throughout China and Asia. In 1949, after the communist party's takeover of China. Jardine's head office was moved to Hong Kong. Despite attempting to work with the communists business conditions became worse. Operations were closed in 1954 with the effective nationalisation of the company's interests and a $20m loss.
John Keswick became a member of the Hong Kong Executive Council in 1952. He retired as Tai-pan in 1953 and joined Matheson & Co in 1956. He returned temporarily as non-executive Chairman of Jardine Matheson in Hong Kong in 1970 to 1972. While in England he and his brother financed the buy-out and then public flotation of Jardine Matheson.
This Keswick managed to gain the release of Eastern Moon’s officers through Chou En Lai. They had become friends during War and he got Chou to tell doddery old Mao mugging British ships wasn’t exactly a good idea.

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Old 22nd July 2012, 04:24
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Robert do you know what happened to Dale Cole ex Eastern Glory.
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Old 22nd July 2012, 06:51
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Dale Cole

Garry Dale Cole became a Queensland pilot in Bundaberg and probably harbour Master too. Apparently ran foul of Queensland Premier Bjelke Petersen as his wife Edith ran a clamerous anti Joh campaign from the Harbour Master's office.

Dale had been groomed to replace Parish when he retired but Edith's somewhat virulent socialist ideas didn't sit well with Jardine hierarchy and the job went to George Colbeck.

Dale refused to move from Bundaberg to Brisbane and left Queensland and moved to Melbourne where he worked for Howard Smith's towage division. Not sure whether he retired ther or went back to New Zealand. His daughter Moana made the news for climbing the fence at a US Airforce base in California and whacking jets with a sledgehammer in an violent anti-war protest, remember Edith was on TV violently denouncing Gareth Evans the Australian Foreign Minister of day as a lackey of the US for letting Moana being tossed in the slammer to cool off

If you were on Glory with Ken and Dale then you would have been with my good friend David Cauvin.

Dave fell foul of Parish and left after being C/O on Easter Ranger.
He then was Master on a South African ship running coal from Lourenco Marques tio Capetown. Dave was born in Capetown his father was Harbour Master there. He was aiming to settle there and was taking his Japanese wife Ayako there and she was in LM awaiting permision to take her to South Africa where Goverment had promised Dave she would be treated as an honourary white. Unfortunately the government reneged on rather petty grounds that Dave had become a British citizen when South Africa left the Commonwealth, he had done this because he had to be a British citizen to sit for his Masters ticket.

David and Ayako returned to Hongkong where David worked for a Yacht Consultants. David's ambuition was to sail the world and whilst getting the yacht ready Ayako was killed by a gas bottle exploding in yacht cabin. I saw David regularly in 197O-80s. Sadly he died of cancer at his sisters in Hobart in 1988.

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Old 22nd July 2012, 08:17
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Thanks Robert
I left Hong Kong as 3rd mate until Sydney when I relieved Dale as 2nd mate, the 3rd mate then was Lee Kwan Yu,Ken was 1st Mate.
The Captain got married when I was there to an Australian Catholic,he hated both,may be that was why he married one.
I took my wife on our honey moon on the ship paying full fare,while a lady from the Sydney agents paid only a pittance. Parish wondered why he got my resignation.

No regrets had a good time there while single but it was not a good company for married men.
Dale and I were cadets together in the USSCo.

I can't remember Dave Cauvin he must have come after I left.

Did you happen to come across an engineer called Peter Colwell? He like all the engineers on the Glory was Australian. Peter was best man at our wedding and god-father to our eldest daughter. We lost contact with him many years ago and ofter wonder what happened to him.
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Wow ! a whole Pandora's box opened here ! I didn't realize you were in the office and privy to all the intrigue, Robert. Very interesting stuff.

Your description of the New Year firing of the gun had me laughing out loud ! It mirrored exactly the one time I was in port for the great occasion and decided to go have a look. It was the year they decided to let the outgoing Governor of Hong Kong fire the gun consequently we had the full works, a full bagpipe police band and all. All the sea staff took up post in the corner with the booze to one side and the cucumber sarnies (Well slightly posher than that !) to the other. By the time the big bang came most of us had forgotten why we were there, a great night indeed.
Regarding Terry Nichols and his falling foul of the office I think I may have had a hand in that. I think it was the Ranger but memory being not being a strong point now it could have been the Muse. Anyway I was ch.off and to try and cut it short we were to pick up a shipment of railway carriages in Calcutta bound Korea, with strict instructions to halt all other cargo ops when the low loaders arrived alongside and take the heavy lifts. Cal being Cal all the cargo I had planned to wing out in the hold was tucked away in some lighters God knows where and by the time all the trains had arrived the rest of the lower hold was virtually empty. ( the number of lifts decreed that they were in the tween deck and on the hatch so the hold access was lost) This problem then multiplied through all the following ports finally sailing from Penang to Singapore with 'not a lot' of stability. I advised Terry to let them know we would need to take bunkers (another key in the mess !)before we could start working cargo with the ships gear This did not knit in with their plans and, as with all the other ports, messages by them were shot off to Hong Kong blaming the ship.
Northbound to Hong Kong we got the telegram that we were both to be relieved on arrival and to present ourselves in the board room next day. Only time I was ever in that august room, very gloomy ! We were on one side of the table and all of the usual gang were on the other and a general arrangement plan of the ship complete with scale cut outs of the heavy lifts laid between us. They then proceeded to interrogate us on the why's and wherefores on each port culminating in Singapore. We acquitted ourselves well in clearing the ship of the blame all the agents had been hurling at us, until Singapore, there was an English agent there that nobody particularly liked. As you probably know Terry kept his own time zone about 12 hours out from everyone else and when the agent turned up very early Terry was not yet answering his door so to speak so the agent came down to me just as I was getting up and I dealt with his enquiries and off he went. In the interrogation it was stated that the agent was unable to rouse the Master and the Chief Officer was giving bed side interviews ! In truth we could not state otherwise and this was the one thing we were 'guilty' of. My opinion of this little excuse for a man cannot be repeated here ! Anyway poor old Terry was banished to the H Boats and I was demoted to 2nd Mate on the Queen which to me was more like a promotion after Mate on the Cal run. As a footnote I believe the next ship bound on this leg was allowed to bunker northbound so problem solved.

So now you know !

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Old 22nd July 2012, 20:23
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Peter Colwell

Garry I remember Peter he was on Eastern Argosy when I was 2/0 in 1963. Cant remember where he weny after that probably on Aussie Coast

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Old 22nd July 2012, 20:32
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Terry Nicholls

Mike thanks for info on Terry Nicholls.

I too got the Board Room inqusition after my last trip on Eastern Muse.

We had a helluva trip where everything that could go wrong did.
That finally decided me to quit and go elsewhere

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Old 22nd July 2012, 20:47
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Noble House update

According to Wikipedia in Noble House Struan and Company is based on Jardine Matheson which continues to exist to this day as an Asia-based trading company. The chief character, Ian Dunross, is believed to be a composite character of two real life Jardine Matheson tai-pans, Sir Hugh Barton and Sir Michael Herries.

Rothwell-Gornt is based on then Butterfield and Swire, now known as Swire Pacific. Quillan Gornt is based on two Swire taipans John Kidston 'Jock' Swire and William Charles Goddard Knowles.

A major difference between the original novel and the later miniseries adaptation is that the television version changes the setting from 1963 to the late 1980s, and updates visible technology accordingly, as well as the general atmosphere. Constantly referred to is the return of Hong Kong to China in 1997, which was (at that time) forthcoming.

I see Michael Herries was actually knighted in 1968 before he left Hongkong in 1970. I last saw Herries in Wallace Bay in July 1968 when he was doing a pre retirement tour of the Jardine Empire so he must have been knighted shortly after that. He was knighted for his work during 1967 riots in Hongkong. Late 1969 when I was Master on Eastern Maid Keswick and Newbigging were running the show.

Henry Keswick and Newbigging were not knighted till 2008 and 2010 long after they had left Hongkong and Jardines.

Barton was Taipan when I joined I-C, his Danish wife had a fatwa on inter racial marriages and no who had married a Chinese was promoted to Master till after Barton retired. The first one was David Greenhalgh in 1966. When I was doing Masters in HK in 1961 I had to a pierhead jump to an H boat as Jardines were doing their damnest to stop the 2/o marrying a Chinese lass

Greenhalgh became a pilot in Nauru and then a pilot in Queensland. Last came across him in Brisbane in late1980s when I was C/O on E&A’s ARAFURA.
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Old 22nd July 2012, 22:31
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David Greenhalgh was 2/o of Eastern Muse when I was there and I later meet him in Nauru when I called there on the Belama delivering a medical officer from the Gilberts who was trying to get back to the Marshal Islands. I was in trouble for not using a pilot and tying up to their buoys, I thought of going into the small boats harbour as my draft was8foot and my lenght was 100foot.In Tarawa I delivered Gilbertise being deported from Nila by the French on the British High Commissioners ship of the Western Pacific.
Nick Wilson was also there with his wife Anna but was on leave when I called there.
On arrival back at Honiara I arrived at night so I managed to get our French bread and wine ashore before the customs arrived.
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Old 22nd July 2012, 22:58
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I-C men in Nauru

Garry I used to go to Nauru in early 197Os. That was before Greenhalgh was there.

John Nugent who was C/O on Eastern Queen in 1960 was Harbour Master there early 1970s but sinned by a daliance with President's Secretary and was fired.

Wound up as a Queensland pilot I believe.

Interesting hear Nick Wilsonwas there, Relieved him as C/O when I sailed with Terry Nicholls on Eastern Maid.

Last saw him in 1968 when he worked for Sworn Measurers in HK. I had thiough he had gone to Canada like Dickie Maund

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Of Vampire Squids and Knaves

Mark Taibbi the editor of Rolling Stone famously called of Goldman Sachs a vampire squid. It could have applied to Jardines post Herries era and P&O of its last years.

The totem pole of power in Hongkong was 1. Chairman of the HK Jockey Club 2. Chairman of Honkong and Shanghai Bank 3 Taipan of Jardines 4. The Governor.

By 1970s it was obvious Jardines had missed the boat as liner shipping was giving way to containers. Although Swires successfully made good of palletisation with innovative adaptation of its ships helped by Blue Funnel, who’s main architect Marshall Meek had designed the classic Priam class and then the first two classes of Bay Boats. Jardine went to bulk shipping and shipping management including tankers.

Indo-China’s venture into palletisaton was a disaster. They used the totally unsuitable Eastern Argosy and loaded her alongside Kowloon wharf. This was going well before a knave from the Agency Bob Kee switched the ship to anchorage to load from barges. Kee used to shake down the stevedores who handled Calcutta run ships for US$3000 a time. Shippers anxious to get their cargo on end of month sailings also had to pay Kee big bucks. So palletisation from Kowloon Wharf was going to be a deathknell for Kee’s racketeering

I remember being in Kee’s car going to see a palm oil barge we were going to tow to Sandakan. We pulled up by some dodgy building and a Policeman told Kee to move on Kee flashed a Key ring with Jardine flag on it and copper acted as though he had been hit by a bolt of lightning. A Jardine tie was also a good luck token.

My old shipmate and good friend Ray Bennett was Master in I-C for 25 years from mid 1980s. He was job hunting in London and just happened to be passing Matheson’s office and remembered me talking of I-C. As he had tanker experience from Shell they grabbed him straight away.

The Jardine vampire squid had vast tentacles indeed. Russ Sanderson who I relieved on Eastern Argosy in 1963 gave up trying to pass Masters and settled for a job in Office running Jardine Crewing Agency [ different from I-C Crew Department]. Russ did such a good job that a client Denholm’s who were expanding their fleet and opening an office in HK wanted Russ to run a crewing department for them. The Vampire Squid pounced and Russ was more or less made a pariah and found it impossible to get office space, staff and telephones and on the outer with Marine Department Seaman’s Recruiting Office.

P&O grew into a Vampire squid from late 1980’s. E&A had always been part of P&O Empire albeit with a little bit of colonial autonomy. Although we were employed by E&A the containerships sailed under the Australia Japan Container Line banner, Swires had 26% share in AJCL, in late 1990s it became ultimately became P&O-Swire Containers then finally P&O-Nedlloyd before that too got vacuumed by Maersk Line.

Just before I retired in 2001 I was on ARIAKE by then nearly 25 years old and a sad shadow of herself that she had been when I sailed on her in 1986. She was in bad shape but P&O wanted to eke a last buck out of her. A Lloyds Surveyor in Brisbane said if an Australian Government surveyor inspected the ship she would be detained for major repairs. I then found out from a pal who had just been on ARIAKE on NZ-Japan run that there was a cosy deal between P&O and Lloyds to get a few more months out of the aging containerships.

I was somewhat outraged at this as frankly ARIAKE was a rustbucket. I sailed in BI and my father before me when the P&O Group was under that titan of British shipping Sir William Currie and Lloyds had a highly reputable name. Sadly as great shipping men like Currie retired carpetbaggers like Victor Matthews and Sterling hove into view.

ARIAKE reminded me of a notorious rustbucket Tiger Bay that was allowed to be registered in Cardiff in 1980. My old shipmate Phillip Cheek took command in Tel Aviv but walked off in disgust in St Malo with his officers , Tiger Bay subsequently sank in Russian Baltic.

Phillip took up the matter with an MP and questions were asked in Parliament as to how such a rustbucket came to be registered under the Red Ensign. Cheek wrote an excellent account of his voyage on Tiger Bay called Legacy of Perils and it had it had foreward by that worthy John Prescott then a MP who gave a very vocal denouncement of the Government of day for allowing such debasement of the Red Ensign. This same Prescott was to be in cahoots with P&O’s Sterling was to set up the demise of the Red Ensign.

I wrote to Prescott when he was Deputy PM telling him of the Ariake case and reminding him of his stout denouncement of rustbuckets re Tiger Bay. Two Shags was by then busily helping reflag P&O Containerships so I got no reply.

I then wrote to head knave Pork Pie Tony Blair and got a reply from some lackey
that Blair was too busy and things would wind up in too hard basket. But an arrow had hit home and Head of Lloyds got a smack on wrist and there was a flurry of action repairing Ariake but she was off to breakers in China a matter of months later.

Two Shags was eventually given a peerage and moved to House of Frauds, not sure what the citation of the peerage was, bound to be as tacky as his lordship
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Old 23rd July 2012, 01:08
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Ron Mc Kenzie ex Eastern Star ended up as Harbour Master Auckland.
Russel Sanderson was also an ex USSCo cadet.
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Dale Cole / Ken Ross

Garry presume as you were a cadet with Dale Cole in USSCO you knew his pal Ken Ross.

Ken Ross moved to Australia about same time as Dale. Joined the old E&A and did some time on their NELLORE and ARAFURA. He then moved to Howard Smiths where he was Master on their tankers. Moved into Melbourne Pilotage for a while before moving back into Howard Smiths managing their tug division.

He is currently a director of TT Lines that operate the ferry Spirit of Tasmania. I have an idea when Ken left Smiths finally Dale took his place there.

Dale now runs his own company Dale Cole and Associates they have a web site at

http://www.dcapl.com.au/
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Was with them from 81 to 86. Eastern Moon,Mountain Thistle, several Gearbulk ships, last trip on the Malahat.
Had a very good time on there.Pleasant memories.
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Old 23rd July 2012, 04:53
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Robert I don't recall Ken Ross but my memory is not as good as it used to be, to much gallivanting about from job to job upsetting employers.
Office management and myself never got on well may be thats why I took on pilotage.
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Mike thanks for info on Terry Nicholls.

I too got the Board Room inqusition after my last trip on Eastern Muse.

We had a helluva trip where everything that could go wrong did.
That finally decided me to quit and go elsewhere

Regards

I must have charmed them over, as eventually got back to Mate but this time on the Aussy run - a piece of proverbial urine after that juggling Cal experience !
One thing, I have never had headaches with stress as much as that particular episode ! God knows what damage it did to your health and for what ?

regards

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I "rescued" this book from one of the ship's I sailed on. Not "Hewsang", that was well before my time in ICSN.
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Thanks Robert
I left Hong Kong as 3rd mate until Sydney when I relieved Dale as 2nd mate, the 3rd mate then was Lee Kwan Yu,Ken was 1st Mate.
The Captain got married when I was there to an Australian Catholic,he hated both,may be that was why he married one.
I took my wife on our honey moon on the ship paying full fare,while a lady from the Sydney agents paid only a pittance. Parish wondered why he got my resignation.

No regrets had a good time there while single but it was not a good company for married men.
Dale and I were cadets together in the USSCo.

I can't remember Dave Cauvin he must have come after I left. Anyone ever learn of his further career?

Did you happen to come across an engineer called Peter Colwell? He like all the engineers on the Glory was Australian. Peter was best man at our wedding and god-father to our eldest daughter. We lost contact with him many years ago and ofter wonder what happened to him.
Lee Kwan Yu on his first trip: a middy in the Blue Funnel Stentor 1947.
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Other antics of the vampire squids

Other antics of the vampire squid come back to me.

Some time in mid 1960s the mob who did the repairs in HongKong which I think was Tung Tai Engineering were deemed by I-C to be replaced by I think Ah Sau Engineering and ships duly informed.

I was somewhat at a loss when the venerable Tung Tai foreman next appeared to do repairs. Old Tung Tai had retired and his nephew Ah Sau had taken over but with sleeping partners in new firm non other than the Engineer supers of day !!

Dunnage was usually supplied in Hongkong rather than in Australia as I-C Office got the kickbacks. It was not surprisingly crap. On Eastern Moon we had a whole brow of wool collapsing due to crap dunnage breaking. “They don’t make the wood you know” as Neddy Seagoon was wont to say. I mentioned this to Parish who muttered to his sidekick to have a word of admonishment to the supplier [ie they have rumbled to us.] That afternoon whilst I had my feet up reading the paper one of the dunnage suppliers lackeys came with his Master’s humblest apology and said his boss was sorry he had forgotten giving a Xmas Card and duly gave me a May Xmas Card of HK$100 !!

Ken Millar had a similar story about deep tank cleaning in Singapore and he was told to keep his mouth shut. Quite often after Latex cargoes were discharged in Japan the cleaning in preparation for Palm Oil from Straits was left to HongKong. Remember on Rover I think we wound up with a strum box space full of latex like a super size chart rubber which they had eventually to burn out with acid.

There was the great economy campaign which began in early 1961 Mainly aimed at saving toilet soap and toilet paper. Bula Cole complained to Parish who was Master at time about getting 1 bar a week and upset Parish saying I bar was not enough and that some of us washed more than others. The toilet paper was another dispute matter and Parish took umbrage at people carting around their own rolls with a length trailing from their pockets. Not sure what ship it was but Parish was just in as Marine Super and asked the Mate if he could use his toilet and found a notice advising in interests of economy please use both sides of paper. I think Mike Bertram was Mate. Shortly after the economy campaign died a quiet death.

When I did Mates in Hongkong in 1961 Mike Bertram was doing Masters. Ran into him when he was a planner in P&O Port Botany Terminal when I was on ARAFURA in 1987. Not sure whether he survived the purge of planners when planners with sea going experience were replaced by a variety of odds and sods after the Great Waterfront War to crush the wharfies. The Planner who did us at P&O Port Botany on Arafura in 2000 was an ex lorry driver who had answered an ad in newspaper for ship planners !! Ye Manager of Patricks Terminal at Botany for a while was in fact an ex London bus driver who had worked in ANL Head Office doing agency work and had risen in rank due to knowing where the ANL skeletons re Painters and Dockers were buried

P&O Sydney had its own in house planners at town office, due to variety of nationalities they were known as the Black and White Minstrels. Only the Head Planner had been at sea and had any experience of ship stability. As stacks were loaded ever higher on the container ships we found it hard on get non seafaring planners to load in correct sequence with heavies boxes on lowest tiers. The ship’s planning manual invariably had a caution that ships safety must take precedence over commercial considerations. This often led to harsh arguments between cargo pimps in P&O Office and planners over late receivals after cut off times. Whether there was any payola from shippers to cargo pimps I don’t know. Purser on ARAFURA had worked in P&O Office and knew that there was a racket involving containers going in and out of Port Botany drivers having to shell out $100 a box. At a rough estimate P&O Botany turned over 3000 boxes a day.
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