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Old 8th July 2014, 12:00
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Maybe some members may fill in the missing ore carriers under long term charter to Bisco ie 15 years or so in the 1960s.
According to Andrew Wiltshire in his book Looking back at bulk carriers he mentions a total of 73 vessels under time charter. These are broken down into three classes, Port Talbot class 24 vessels, medium sized ie say under 25,000 tons dwt 44 vessels and Large over say 25,000 tons dwt, 5 vessels.
When I totalled the vessels I am aware of, I get the following numbers, 20 Port Talbot sized, 40 medium and 5 large including the Livanita.
So does anyone know the names of the 8 missing vessels?
With the Port Talbot class I have all the Denholms, Houlders plus Orecrest, the two Buries Markes, Naess Trader, Ravensworth.
The medium size list includes Huntings 2, Souter 5, Common 7, Watergate 1, Bolton 4, St Denis Cory 4, Houlder 2, Furness Withy 2, Denholm 4, Bowring 1, Mavrolean 1, Silver 4, Lyle 2,.
Large total 5 including Victore, Welsh Herald, Cape Howe, Gothland and Uglands Livanita.

If some of Uglands were on long term charter that would help fill the medium list and if the Essex was included it would help the Port Talbot list.

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Old 8th July 2014, 12:48
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PHILIPPE LD(Louis Dreyfus)FARLAND(Farstad)GERORE(Gerrards)FILEFJELL( Olsen and Uglestad)CARMENCITA,EVITA,FAVORITA (Uglands)NORDLAND(Vesteraalens)MESNA(S-A)ESSEX(R-P)ARABELLA(Stray)GERORE(Gerrards)Most of the Norwegians were on shorter time charters than the Brits.LIVANITA not included because she was on voyage charters to BISCO
courtesy of SIF Record 23,24&25 "The Iron Ladies" by J.Harrison which features and lists with photos the 73

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Old 10th July 2014, 10:24
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Thanks to AD Frost, I now have the completed list on a spreadsheet.
Must get myself a copy or copies of the SIF issues mentioned.
After checking the 1963 issue of LRS to obtain further vessel details some interesting notes arise. Mesna for instance was built at Scheeps de Biosbosch at Dordrecht. Finding a link to this ship yard in Dutch, I found that this was possibly the largest vessel they built. Sadly the photos of the present site look very much like nearly all UK shipyards.
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Old 10th July 2014, 12:11
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I was ship scheduling controller for BISCore in the 60's and 70's..currently travelling with limited wifi access so will cast my eyes over list on return later in month...we always used72 as timecharter fleet number..

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Old 14th July 2014, 11:16
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I was ship scheduling controller for BISCore in the 60's and 70's..currently travelling with limited wifi access so will cast my eyes over list on return later in month...we always used72 as timecharter fleet number..

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Still away..Livanita was time chartered....used her for my holidays to Narvik!

Funny I had forgotten Mesna in my own lists..Captain Rolf Dolven, think he was part owner.

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Old 14th July 2014, 16:17
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regarding the mv mesna it was same for me
i forget abt this vsl coming to sept iles loading for biscore
i have old vsl line up for the year 65-66 and most of the day they have vsl Under charter with biscore coming to sept iles loading pellets or as we call blend cargo and always on the vsl line up destination biscore uk port
that was the good time to see so many vsl loading iron ore
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Old 14th July 2014, 16:59
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Indeed..we had continuous contracts with Hanna Mining who were great people to deal with...our main ore being the Labrador B blend ore..also the highly sought of Carol Pellets and latterly. Labrador Fines..

Mesna was one if the earlier charters before we agreed 15 year charters with the likes of Souters..Common Bros etc etc...for new buildings.

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Old 14th July 2014, 19:35
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Was on the Crinan once when loading took 53 minutes - 9000 T. at 7 islands.
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Old 14th July 2014, 21:28
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I sailed on the Norwegian ship Arabella in 1971 and I believe that she had been on charter with BISCO from when she was built in 1959...

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Old 14th July 2014, 23:02
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I sailed on the Norwegian ship Arabella in 1971 and I believe that she had been on charter with BISCO from when she was built in 1959...

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One of our favourites as she had that bit extra deadweight that the others didn't have...10300 on Summer Marks..

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Old 15th July 2014, 14:33
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good day
regarding the arabella evebody at the loading beth was surprise this vsl was so low in the water fully loaded look like a submarine
the one we have not seen much at sept iles was the finnamore meadow
only one or two time a year during the biscore year
with biscore if they have vsl on a specific trade
the loading rate was very fast , we have 2 loaders working at the same time
the rate if i remember well was 3500mt by machine
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Old 15th July 2014, 15:19
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Don't forget the IRON MASTER ! Citiq, China owned. Made a lot of money in the dim and distant past off this Vessel.
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regarding the arabella evebody at the loading beth was surprise this vsl was so low in the water fully loaded look like a submarine,
if they have vsl on a specific trade the loading rate was very fast , we have 2 loaders working at the same time
the rate if i remember well was 3500mt by machine
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When there was a bit of rough weather in the Atlantic and we were returning to the UK from either Seven Islands or Nouhadibou she behaved like a submarine....

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Old 16th July 2014, 16:22
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what was the discharging port in uk for the biscore vsl
looking to the old vsl line up from sept iles
pellets was mostly for port Talbot , Cardiff, dagenham
blend always uk port without naming the port
i am wondering if biscore vsl went all the way to South africa for ldg iron ore and back to uk
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Old 16th July 2014, 18:04
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what was the discharging port in uk for the biscore vsl
looking to the old vsl line up from sept iles
pellets was mostly for port Talbot , Cardiff, dagenham
blend always uk port without naming the port
i am wondering if biscore vsl went all the way to South africa for ldg iron ore and back to uk
harold
Still away from home... but the ports that took took Seven Islands and Port Cartier ores in season were.
PortTalbot,Newport,Cardiff,Birkenhead,Galapagos,Ty ne,Hartlepool,Tees,Immingham....Dagenham stopped buying through us when we were nationalised in 1970....


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Old 16th July 2014, 21:01
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Still away from home... but the ports that took took Seven Islands and Port Cartier ores in season were.
PortTalbot,Newport,Cardiff,Birkenhead,Galapagos,Ty ne,Hartlepool,Tees,Immingham....Dagenham stopped buying through us when we were nationalised in 1970....


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Galapagos? Is that a Darwinian slip?

Twin, I think I heard of a Bisco ship loading at Port Elizabeth but it could be my imagination.

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Old 16th July 2014, 21:13
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in the sixty /seventy we are use to see biscore vsl loading at sept iles or port cartier this is the reason i was inquiring abt the finnamore meadow
seing this vsl only or 2 time a year she have to load somwhere else may be africa or russia
this type of vsl might be loading at brazilian port but from South africa i dont know
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Old 16th July 2014, 23:19
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I altered Galapagos to Glasgow twice.........

The fleet in 1976 when I handed over, loaded at the following.many of the former smaller ports had stopped being used..such as Bone /Annaba and La Goulette.

Russia.Murmansk.
Norway. Narvik
Sweden.Oxelosund and Lulea.
Spain.Sagunto and Malilla in North Africa.
Mauretania. Nouadhibou/Por Etiene.
Liberia. Monrovia.
South Africa. Port Elizabeth.Sepitiba Bay.
Russia. Poti in Black Sea.
Australia.Port Hedland.
Brazil. Vitoria/Tubarao.
Canada. Sept Isles and Port Cartier.

This is not the definative list but those ports which were in regular use.

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Geoff - and Almeria Spain ?. Spent a great week there when the loader broke
down , 1966 - Arisaig.
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loaded in Wabana a few times
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Old 17th July 2014, 10:12
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Geoff - and Almeria Spain ?. Spent a great week there when the loader broke
down , 1966 - Arisaig.
First overseas port,week along-side lay-by berth when Newcastle Utd. won the Fairs Cup.Thats when I became a Mackem.Our punishment was 4 trips to Murmansk(Christmas'68) and a trip to Port Etienne (SILVERCRAG)
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First overseas port,week along-side lay-by berth when Newcastle Utd. won the Fairs Cup.Thats when I became a Mackem.Our punishment was 4 trips to Murmansk(Christmas'68) and a trip to Port Etienne (SILVERCRAG)
Yes had forgotten Almeria for Granada Smalls and Fines....prone toSpanish service problems as equipment second hand...

Wabana was popular only when steel wasn't selling as it gave a good grade of agricultural ****...Cargo Fleet loved it....

Conakry which only went to Tyne as a barter deal and Pepel were excluded as quantities were minimal by 1970, anyone go to Tuapse in Black Sea at all....special manganese similar to Poti Tchiaturi?? Remember sending La Colina and possibility that Ravensworth went too...

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Long Haul

When I joined the Orepton in Workington in April, 1964 she was discharging ore loaded in Port Elizabeth. Quite a long haul and departure from the traditional loading ports.

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Old 17th July 2014, 13:04
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good morning

it was long time ago but if i remember well they have been a strike somewhere in uk and we received few of the biscore vsl loading iron ore concentrate back for what was call then royal dutch Ijmuiden in holland
i saw the mv simonburn not a biscore vsl but loading for the same destination
the biscore vsl where mostly the 14,000 mt dwt loading for ijmuiden during that particular summer
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Old 17th July 2014, 13:58
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went to Bombay on the m/v Redcar loaded ore for Teesside 3 weeks loaded by hand by the local labour
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