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Old 22nd October 2006, 10:49
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Information needed on "Blair Athole" lost in 1887

A family crew member was drowned in January 1887 when the British ship "Blair Athole" official number 81578 or possibly "Blair Atholl" was lost.
Does anyone have any details of this vessel, and how and where she was lost? Thank you, Douglas
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Old 22nd October 2006, 11:57
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Science and Society Picture Library has a picture of the Blair Athole built 1874; at
http://www.scienceandsociety.co.uk/
you will have to write for a scan.
There is a painting "In Company" of two vessels,
the Blair Athole and the Blackwell, by Frank H Mason.
Blackwell went down in 1893. Where the painting is, I do not know.
I will write to one of my friends for some help.
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Old 22nd October 2006, 12:22
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Seems she was an emigration ship - Australia and New Zealand.
Blair Athole ship image available from
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb....timeframes.htm
I'll get back when I have more ....
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Old 24th October 2006, 21:14
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Blair Athole

Just been through my notes for Captain Millett
( I am still working on more details for that part of the website ).

She was an emigration vessel ( Australia and New Zealand ),
she also plied to the US, New York and San Francisco.
built 1874, lost January 1887.
Blair Athole ( Captain A Taylor )
A1 2 deck ship, 1450 tons
Built November 1874 at Greenock
Registered Port of Glasgow
Owners Thomson and Gray
Dimensions 246 x 37 x 22ft
Her "partner" Blackwell was lost also in 1893.
There is a painting of the two vessels "In Company"
by Frank H Mason RBA.
Blair Athole was one of the ship which Captain J L Vivian Millett speaks of
"Then there was the BLAIR ATHOLE, a large well-found ship with a very young chief officer, whom I used to admire greatly for the smart way in which he did his work;"
( Captain Millett's story online now ).
http://freepages.family.rootsweb.com...ll/millett.htm

I have yet to discover details of her fate.

I hope that helps, Best Wishes, Raymond
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Old 24th October 2006, 21:51
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More information from Ian Buxton ...
ON 71654. Builder John Elder, Glasgow (not Greenock).
1697 nrt (from MNL 1879).
Just checked 1888 MNL and she is still in which
suggests she was not lost in 1887.
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Old 27th October 2006, 07:06
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If it is the same ship then she went down along what is known as the 'Shipwreck' coast along the southern coast of Australia.
There is a book about all ships that went down along there from about 1790 to 1956. Not sure if it is still in print.
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Old 27th October 2006, 11:54
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Thank you John - that gives me a lead.
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Old 26th March 2007, 20:47
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More information from Ian Buxton ...
ON 71654. Builder John Elder, Glasgow (not Greenock).
1697 nrt (from MNL 1879).
Just checked 1888 MNL and she is still in which
suggests she was not lost in 1887.
I have a diary, that my Mom gave to me, written by her uncle about a voyage he took on the Blair Athol in 1892. I haven't transcribed it yet but it starts out on page one with "We left Barry Dock in tow of tug "sea Serpent" and towed as far as Sunday Island where tug + pilot left us on Apr, 5th." On a different set of papers, dated Xmas 1892, he starts off with a date of Mar 13-/91. Until I have all pages transcribed I will still not be sure of a timeline. But I am seeing records and posts of the Blair Athol being lost at sea, sometime earlier. Mom's uncle mentions the ship being under command of Captain Taylor so now I am confused. Seems to much of a coincidence to have the same ship and master at a date past her reported loss. Any suggestions?
Thanks
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Old 26th March 2007, 23:51
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Hello,
Sorry to cloud the waters.
Just checked the "Times" for 1887 and 1888
25/Jan/1887
Lloyds agents in Constantinople "British steamer BEHERA reports as she passed 45 mile south of Serpents Island, Black Sea leds? and cabin furniture which was surposed to have belonged to British BLAIR ATHOLE O/N 73776?
which sailed from Odessa with a cargo of grain and oxen and is 2 days overdue"
24/Feb/1887
BLAIR ATHOLE is reported overdue voyage Odessa for Malta and Genoa

5/Mar/1887
Posted as missing by Lloyds. the article says she was built in 1879

Now the interesting bit
5/Nov/1887
Reported BLAIR ATHOLE arrived Calcutta 1/Nov/1887 from Liverpool

28/Apr/1888
Reported BLAIR ATHOLE arrived New York 25/Apr/1888 from Calcutta.

So do we have two different vessels or did the same vessel not go missing after all?

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Old 27th March 2007, 01:20
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Sorry, just answered your PM Tim, without seeing this post.
Hello Roger, I have been sent more information on the Blair Athol,
by a family member, I have not yet got around to posting more on this thread,
I'll see what I can do tomorrow night. I am preparing it all for a web page.
There is no question that the ship, that Captain Millett saw, was lost at sea.
Best Wishes, Raymond
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Old 27th March 2007, 01:51
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What? So, it's only 1.40 ... Iryna Bilyk for background, so here goes ....
Captain Henry Beeby Lister wrote a letter to his daughter from Souranbaya 27th January 1893.
The ship Blair Athole set sail (bound for Vancouver) 29th February 1893 to other ports in the Java sea area; Captain Alexander Taylor was originally the master, but he had died in Batavia after a long illness. Captain Lister was then appointed in command by the company Thomson & Gray. Blair Athole was lost in a storm after leaving Pasaroeang Java, carrying Java sugar; it is reported that this storm occurred April 1893. She was lost with all hands.
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Old 27th March 2007, 02:13
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Well Roger, far from muddying the waters, it has added to the story.
I think the reported loss of the Blair Athole, the losses of the Blackwell/Blackwall and Blair Athole have been interchanged.
I think another visit to Mystic Seaport will be helpful ...
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Old 27th March 2007, 02:36
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Right, now armed with information ...
This is ON 71 654
Built May 1874.
Under Captain Alexander Taylor from the start.
Originally owned by Alexander Thompson & Co.
later Thomson & Gray.
I am not at all sure as to the claim that her companion sister ship was named Blackwall/Blackwell - I would like to tie that one up.
Anyone know where this painting of the two is to be found?
And, Tim, we are researching the same ship ....

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Old 27th March 2007, 03:50
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Ahh, the mystery comes a little clearer!!
I will spend tomorrow's lunchtime transcribing the diary as far as I can.
The only reference to an image of the Blair Athole I found was at the Science and Society Picture Library
http://www.scienceandsociety.co.uk/r...g=2&imagepos=2
I have requested a scan from them.
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Old 27th March 2007, 10:01
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Hello again,
My feelings on this is that there were two vessels with the same or similar name/s
There are numerous references in the "Times" to BLAIR ATHOLE from 1881 to1892. The New York immigration records say she arrived in that port Oct/4/1889.

OK.
If we look at the vessel with the O/N 71654 According to Ted and Debbies site. She was built in 1874 in Glasgow 1697 nrt.
Crew lists for this vessel for 1876 to 1893 are lodged with The Memoirial University of Newfoundland. The one for 1882 is in the British Archive. I think the diary Tim has concerns this vessel.

OK
If we look at the vessel with the O/N 81578 as refered to by Douglas in his original posting. MUN has crew lists for 1879 (year of build according to the Times) until 1887 the year of her loss. We also have this
http://www.miramarshipindex.org.nz/s...er=81578&IDNo=

OK there are no primary documents to hand but if anyone feels the need to go futher on this one then my money is on two different vessels.

Comments please
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If you visit the Clyde Built Ships webpage it gives 2 vessels with similar name built in 1874 and 1875 one was a sailing ship the other a lighter. The spellings are Blair Athole and Blair Athol
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Old 27th March 2007, 12:49
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Blair Athol of Shoreham

Hi
Just a little bit of info for you.
"Blair Athol" of Shoreham
Rig:- Wooden Barque
Owners T.F Gates of Shoreham Sussex
Builders:- Bailey & Co. at Shoreham 1864
Dimentions:- 140 x 28.5 x 19.7ft 443tons
Fitted with single topgallent and royals. Traded to the West Indies and South America.
The next bit refers to a painting of the vessel by JW Holmes in 1924(I have copy of it from a magazine but don't know how to up load)
The artist Capt. JW Holmes made his first trip to sea on this vessel as a boy apprentice.
Her figure head was a Highlander and built of mahogany from a ships wrecked cargo.
Thats all I have.
Hope it helps.
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You can follow Captain Alexander Taylor and Blair Athole on Mystic Seaport Lloyds. There were other ships without the final "e".
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Old 27th March 2007, 19:21
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Taking up the point you have made, Roger ( a good one ),

In 1874 ...
Blair Athol; Captain SF Haines; Barque; 128ft x 27 x 17; Registered Annapolis; 425 t; Draught 16ft; Built 1864 Granville NS; Owners Johnson & O. - ON 48 041; Signal Letters VRDP

Blair Athol; Captain E Pearson; Barque; 131.8ft x 27.7 x 17.2; Registered N Shields; 409 t; Draught 14 ft; Built 1864 Sunderland England; Owners Avery & O - ON 50 394; Signal Letters WHVM

In 1876 appears another
Blair Athol; Captain M White; Barque; 443 t; 16 ft draft; built Oct 1864 Shoreham Reg London owners J Wilson 140 x 28 x 17

In 1875 Name given as Blair Athol
Capt A Taylor; 1697 t; 21 draft; Built May 74 Glasgow; Reg Glasgow; Thomson & Co; 259ft x 40 x 23

Even more sifting through ....
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Right, I did notice a gap in Alexander Taylor's service
with Blair Athol from 1883. Following that through ...
He was captain of the Glenfalloch during 1884-1888.
He re-appears on the Blair Athole in 1889. Not the same
man as was on the Countess of Errol, as both of them appear
on the sheet for 1888.
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I notice that you have a letter written by a uncle of yours about the Blair Athole 71654 captain by alexander taylor i have the crew list of the Blair Athole when she sailed from Barry my grand father was the 1st mate when she sailed from Barry in 1892.Capt Taylor had operation in Le harve for cancer
but he died in batavia, my grand father Henry Beeby Lister was given command of the vessel but the Blair Athole went down in a big storm off the Warren Hasting island . Ihave two original letters that were sent to his father and one to his eldest daughter in dec 1892 and january 1893.

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[QUOTE=james721;129260]Albin27
I notice that you have a letter written by a uncle of yours about the Blair Athole 71654 captain by alexander taylor i have the crew list of the Blair Athole when she sailed from Barry my grand father was the 1st mate when she sailed from Barry in 1892.Capt Taylor had operation in Le harve for cancer
but he died in batavia, my grand father Henry Beeby Lister was given command of the vessel but the Blair Athole went down in a big storm off the Warren Hasting island . I have two original letters that were sent to his father and one to his eldest daughter in dec 1892 and january 1893.
Discribing the trip after leaving Barry when they lost a man over board he never answered his name then after that every thing went right and was making a splended passage unto the 4th June when we met the cyclone a day never to be forgotten, in the storm the head stays carried away, the fore top the top gallant coming down broke both top sails and smashing both life boats. Captain taylor who was suffering from a cancer operation was taken down below to his bunk. The secound mate and the bosan were both laid up in there bunks.when they arrived in Tandjong Priok the captain was taken in to hospital the poor man his sufferings was beyond describing and on the 14th October he passed away in his sleep . I have a letter from the admiralty replying to Thomson & Gray owners of the Blair Athole that a Navel ship the H.M.S Pallas did a search of the Warren
Hasting Islands butno trace of the wreck or any survivors could be found
and any survivors reaching terra firma on these island must be very rare
but shouldthey be sucesful in landing they need not fear ill-treatment at the hands of the natives, this letter was posted on the 29th November 1894.

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Info from Miramar site. Ken.

Single Ship Report for "BLAIR ATHOLE"
IDNo: 1081578 Year: 1879
Name: BLAIR ATHOLE Launch Date: 17.9.79
Type: Cargo ship Date of completion:
Flag: GBR Keel:
Tons: 1581 Link: 1492
DWT: Yard No: 394
Length overall: Ship Design:
LPP: Country of build:
Beam: Builder: Palmers'
Material of build: I Location of yard: Jarrow
Number of
screws/Mchy/
Speed(kn):
Owner as Completed: J.F.Cohen, London
Naval or paramilitary marking :
A: *
End: 1887
Subsequent History:
86 BLAIR ATHOLE
Disposal Data:
missing - sailed Odessa 20.1.87 for Malta (30*)
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hi All

I am a relative of Capt Taylor of the Blair Athol and am writing this while looking at a painting of her inherited from my Grandfather. We have a few heirlooms and letters from the Captain. The family history is that our ancestor became ill and died in the East, the vessel continued its voyage under the first mate but vanished with all hands later in the voyage. Interestingly in the picture I have the name is spelt Blair Athol without the final "L" or "E". The ship is flying a house flag with 3 red and white horizontal bands with the letters "T" and "G" on the white section. She is pictured off Ailsa Craig in the Clyde. She ran the emigrant trade from the UK to the various places including the Antipodes. My grandfather told the tale that one of the famous figures of the Raj shipped as cabin boy to India in the vessel but hated it and only did one trip.
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