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Old 14th September 2015, 21:32
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That's great Keith. Glad you got some useful information from all of the files.

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Old 22nd September 2015, 22:49
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Rnps

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Never hear much about Royal Naval Patrol Service (Harry Tates Navy)
In both World Wars we would not got very far with out them.
They served in all theatre of war which involved the sea.
Not only did they sweep mines,they also escorted convoys.
Their Depot known as HMS Europa was situated at Lowestoft.
70,000 men passed through HMS Europa to man 6,000 little ships,
260 of these vessels were lost 15,000 personnel were also lost.
There is so much and so little known about rnps, they where involved in many famous raids as well as more of the basic stuff. I am looking for the activity on D Day when a rnps vessel saved the life of a Canadian vessel...
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Old 3rd January 2016, 14:27
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Past Attitudes

An uncle was a seasoned trawlerman, with 14 years in the RNR, prior to the outbreak of the Second War when he joined the RNPS as a Leading Seaman in the Dover Patrol. In 1941 he spent a month at RN Hospital Chatham where he was diagnosed with “Recurrent Hysterical Amnesia”.
He was eventually invalided out of the Royal Naval Reserve near the end of that year having been declared BNPS (Below Naval Physical Standard).
My father once told me the breaking point for his brother-in-law came when he was involved in recovering bodies from the sea then laying these casualties out on the quayside for collection.

The following (edited) later newspaper reports, referring to two different cases regarding my uncle, are of some interest in that they reflect attitudes of the time:

FAILING TO SAIL:
“The time has come when you ought to be taught a lesson.”
Sheriff McDonald addressed those words to deckhand X, in Aberdeen Sheriff Court to-day. Finding X guilty of failing to sail on the vessel Sophos, Sherriff McDonald said that he took a serious view of the case. He sent X to prison for twenty-one days.

FAILED TO SAIL – JAILED 21 DAYS:
Wartime experiences with the Dover Patrol were blamed for the appearance of X, before Sheriff Walker at Aberdeen.
Admitting four previous convictions, X pleaded guilty to four charges of wilfully disobeying lawful commands to sail on trawlers from Aberdeen.
He was sent to prison for twenty-one days for the first offence, and was admonished on the remaining three charges’
Miss I M Sellar, for X, said his war experiences had left him very unstable, and he was not really able to go to sea. This was the only work the Labour Exchange offered him.

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Old 25th April 2016, 09:04
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Acoustic Mines

In the past I have used a hired Kango breaking hammer to dig up garden concrete but the maker once had a role in fitting acoustic devices to minesweepers.

In 1943 my father served for a time in the MMS16 (Motor Minesweeper – also called Mickey Mouse minesweepers) - under Commander T Watson.
The attached image shows a MMS fitted with a noisemaking device used for setting off acoustic mines.
Lowered under the ship, an electric powered Kango breaking hammer contained in a steel box was held up to a steel diaphragm with the aim of making more noise than the ship thus setting off any acoustic mines at a safe distance.

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Old 31st July 2016, 15:03
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Another Quiet Man

In the early 70s the stevedoring company I was employed by had one of the City office staff come down to Tilbury to have a first look around the terminal I worked in. All I had been given was his name, Roger Lewis, and that he was ex Royal Navy. He turned out to be an amiable older Englishman who went on to visit other parts of our Tilbury cargo handling operations.

A couple of years later when in Dammam, Saudi Arabia, I was watching a documentary featuring wartime mine disposal, transmitted by the local Aramco TV service, when Roger appeared on the screen crouched over a beached mine rendering it safe before examination. In recent times, while researching minesweeping operations, I discovered that Roger had carried out vital work on enemy mines during his time at HMS Vernon

The RN shore establishment HMS Vernon was responsible for mine disposal and mine countermeasures. On 23 Nov 1939 the first magnetic mine to be recovered and made safe was located at Shoeburyness, Essex. It had been dropped the previous day by parachute from a German He59 aircraft mining the Thames Estuary. For this deed Cdr John Ouvry and Lt Cdr Roger Lewis were each decorated with the DSO, along with lesser awards for three other RN personnel, by King George VI. These were the first Royal Naval decorations of the war.

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Old 18th November 2016, 11:30
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The Osprey-class sloop-of-war HMS Wild Swan, launched in 1877, was converted to a RNR base ship in 1904 and renamed Clyde. For a time she was permanently berthed at Aberdeen where my trawler stoker grandfather commenced initial RNR training in 1906.

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Old 18th November 2016, 11:51
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The Kango Hammer was still in use on the Post War 'Tons' whilst they were Minesweepers although it went over the side rather than the Bow along with another Acoustic device which simulated the high pitch whine of a Prop over the opposite ship side both slung from Sampson Posts.
In the perceived next War the RNR would have again manned the Minesweepers along with Ports and Anchorages Patrol Vessels
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On 13 Jun 1918, when C-class light cruiser HMS Conquest struck a mine near the Sunk light vessel, an aunt became a 20 year old widow when her husband Leading Stoker Henry James Clinton was killed. The mine was laid just 11 days before by minelaying German submarine UC-11, Oberleutnant Werner Lange. Still afloat, she was decommissioned in July 1918 for repairs which lasted until April 1919. Henry James Clinton, aged 24 years, was buried in Gillingham (Woodlands) Cemetery, Kent.

In June 1917 HMS Conquest was involved in the sinking of German torpedo boat S20 off Zeebrugge during a Royal Navy raid on Ostend.
In Jan 1918 Henry James Clinton was given a Prize Bounty for Heligoland Bight action of Aug 1914 when serving in HMS Falmouth. In early 1915 he was in her when she fought in the Battle of Dogger Bank
In Feb 1921 a payment (posthumous) of £15 was made from the Naval Prize Fund.

Incidentally, Werner Lange (1893 – 1965), who commanded U-boat UC-11 from May to Dec 1918, went on to become a Vizeadmiral with the Kriegsmarine during the Second War. He was a recipient of the Knight’s Cross of the Iron Cross as commanding admiral of the Aegean Sea.

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Old 29th July 2017, 16:01
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Residue of Naval Assets

For those interested in old naval documents, attached is a copy of the Residue of Naval Assets form regarding the deceased Henry James Clinton. (Post #33 ) His 20 year old widow, left with a 6 month old son, was deemed a minor so her mother, my grandmother, was appointed Guardian.

Notice that his handwritten Service Certificate was forwarded to Clinton’s family and so would no longer be available in original form in MOD records.

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Old 5th October 2017, 09:44
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Skipper Lieutenant G Y Abernethy DSC RNR

The following may be of passing interest to those searching for service records:

Above information regarding the naval service of Henry J Clinton, my Aunt Isabella’s first husband, was kindly sent to me by her granddaughter whom I have never met but had recently first contacted me through SN.

The same source provided document copies concerning RNR service of Isabella’s second husband trawl skipper George Youngson Abernethy who served in minesweepers during both World Wars. After he died from natural causes in 1945, as the attached letter indicates the Admiralty responded to the widow’s request by sending a typewritten summary of his service record. Oddly, perhaps, the original record has not yet surfaced at Kew.

Awarded Distinguished Service Cross on 12 April 1940:
“For unfailing courage, endurance, resource and devotion to duty in HM trawlers in their hard and perilous tasks of sweeping the seas clear of mines, combating submarines, and keeping a look-out for the enemy.” (Investiture 11 June 1940)

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Old 11th January 2018, 21:36
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FS Paris

In 1941 my uncle George Youngson Abernethy RNR served for a time in a depot ship that had previously been a warship under the French flag.
The French battleship Paris had supported Allied troops in the defence of Le Havre during June 1940 until she was damaged by a German bomb. She took refuge later that month in England where, as part of Operation Catapult, she was seized in Plymouth by British forces on 03 July. FS Paris was used as a depot ship and barracks ship there by the Royal and Polish Navies for the rest of the war.
FS Paris was returned to the French in July 1945.

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Old 30th April 2018, 00:20
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Henry Clinton (Hal)

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On 13 Jun 1918, when C-class light cruiser HMS Conquest struck a mine near the Sunk light vessel, an aunt became a 20 year old widow when her husband Leading Stoker Henry James Clinton was killed. The mine was laid just 11 days before by minelaying German submarine UC-11, Oberleutnant Werner Lange. Still afloat, she was decommissioned in July 1918 for repairs which lasted until April 1919. Henry James Clinton, aged 24 years, was buried in Gillingham (Woodlands) Cemetery, Kent.

In June 1917 HMS Conquest was involved in the sinking of German torpedo boat S20 off Zeebrugge during a Royal Navy raid on Ostend.
In Jan 1918 Henry James Clinton was given a Prize Bounty for Heligoland Bight action of Aug 1914 when serving in HMS Falmouth. In early 1915 he was in her when she fought in the Battle of Dogger Bank
In Feb 1921 a payment (posthumous) of £15 was made from the Naval Prize Fund.

Incidentally, Werner Lange (1893 – 1965), who commanded U-boat UC-11 from May to Dec 1918, went on to become a Vizeadmiral with the Kriegsmarine during the Second War. He was a recipient of the Knight’s Cross of the Iron Cross as commanding admiral of the Aegean Sea.

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Hi Keith, I am confident that Henry, Acting lead stoker was my great uncle, KIA UC-11 by a mine in 1918. He was sister to Amy Clinton, born 1898. He had a brother Ernest and many other sisters. Amy was my maternal Grandmother. Best I could find out was that he married an Isabella in Aberdeen and had a young son, from one of Amys' daughters my Aunt Win. Would appreciate any further information. I have records from MOD. Regards, David
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Old 30th April 2018, 00:30
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Hi Keith, I am confident that Henry, Acting lead stoker was my great uncle, KIA UC-11 by a mine in 1918. He was sister to Amy Clinton, born 1898. He had a brother Ernest and many other sisters. Amy was my maternal Grandmother. Best I could find out was that he married an Isabella in Aberdeen and had a young son, from one of Amys' daughters my Aunt Win. Would appreciate any further information. I have records from MOD. Regards, David
HMS Conquest 13Jun 1918.
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Henry Clinton

Thanks for an interesting post, David, and welcome to SN.
I have just sent you a PM with my email address.

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