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Old 16th June 2012, 05:58
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If HMS Plymouth goes...

Personal opinions. If you had the ability to preserve one warship, in lieu of HMS Plymouth, and her era. Which ship would you save, and why?
Personally, it would have to be a Leander, probably the biggest leap in design, and interesting class of warship since WW2.
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Old 16th June 2012, 06:27
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I'd have to agree and say a Leander Nick.........maybe we could get Andromeda back from India, another Falklands veteran.
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Old 16th June 2012, 18:46
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If a "colonial" is allowed to voice an opinion on this thread, my vote would also be for a Leander.

Had the pleasure of working with many of them during my 38 years in the Canadian Navy.

They were fine ships and the backbone of the RN (and a number of other navies) for much of the Cold War era.
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Old 16th June 2012, 18:51
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HMS Hermes would be an iconic museum piece to save and would I'm sure tug at just a few heart strings. The ship would not just be a floating museum but would also have sufficient space to display aircraft and other military equipment in the hangars and flight deck similar to what we see on the US carrier museums such as USS Intrepid in NY. In addition Hermes hangar space would allow her to be used in a conference / exhibition venue allowing the ship to make additional revenue.

Of course like all things, the Hermes would cost enormous sums to preserve in addition to exactly where would you put her, so being more modest, I believe an ideal candidate for preservation when she becomes available will be the former RFA Sir Tristram.

The LSL would be a more sensible size whilst still having the space to display aircraft and other military equipment. The ship's tank deck is a sufficient size for the aforementioned conference/exhibition market. The Ship herself would combine the history of the RFA/RN and the merchant and of course Tristram's history will make her a credible museum piece with an amazing pheonix from the flames story.
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Old 17th June 2012, 14:17
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I always liked that Idea of turning Invincible into a multistory car park, cant remember which town offered that proposal, good idea though. shame it never happened. there would have certainly always been a source of revenue to maintain her.

Aside from that it wold have been nice to save a Leander, shame Scylla never made it back to Devonport as a museum piece, at least she is still of some use.
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Old 18th June 2012, 06:22
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I had a 'thing' for the Aurora, probably because one summer I spent the day with my Uncle running a RMAS launch out to her every hour whislt she was being degaussed. On one run, we had to pick up a matelot who had decided he couldn't wait for the boat and swam out.
Dinner was served to us by RFA Hebe I think, excellent grub.
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Old 18th June 2012, 08:31
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Although the Rothesay, sister to the Plymouth was the best ship's crew that I served with and some of us meet up regularly. I served on three leanders Sirius, Minerva and Scylla. I have to agree they were good ships.
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Old 25th June 2012, 20:10
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we have a wide and varied choice, i always liked the tribals. the type 14's were unique and the bristol was a one of and still making herself useful. Perhaps Matapan could reveal her secrets or a whitby to show a pre helo variation. given the choice i would opt for a leander. Bacchante would be good, the best ship i served on and like Scylla still of some use albeit on the other side of the world.
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Personal opinions. If you had the ability to preserve one warship, in lieu of HMS Plymouth, and her era. Which ship would you save, and why?
Personally, it would have to be a Leander, probably the biggest leap in design, and interesting class of warship since WW2.
Plymouth and her class were the forerunners to the leanders in anycase like a trails platform if you like !!
But my choice would be a great deal older and that would be HMS WARSPITE
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Old 25th June 2012, 23:35
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Although I have a soft spot for the Whitby Class and in particular the Eastbourne their Hull design being a leap ahead, the Warship that impressed me most from that era was the Canadian's St Laurent DDH 205 as built. That superb design and in particular the Whaleback Bow made our newbuild Warship's look very old fashioned.
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Old 26th June 2012, 00:15
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Suspect I am a little biased, but having served in several of them, I agree that the St Laurent Class DDEs (prior to their conversion to DDHs) were indeed very impressive ships

In keeping with the original thrust of thus thread ... although they were the first class of major warship specifically designed for the RCN, and were the backbone of our navy for over 30 years, none of them have been preserved

It appears that in Canada, as in the case of HMS Plymouth, there is neither the political will, the public interest nor the money to preserve these important parts of our naval heritage
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Old 26th June 2012, 15:43
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Scatari, come on, you have a vessel preserved in Canada that we in the GB would cry out for, a Corvette. Incidently I first saw the St Laurent when I was at Smith's when she was visiting the Yard to pay homage to the home of the Corvette, CaptKen has knowledge of the the date.
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Old 26th June 2012, 18:56
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Chadburn:

Don't get me wrong ... I am not in any way denigrating HMCS Sackville. Her restoration and preservation were hugely important, as she and her sisters formed the backbone of the RCN during its "coming of age" during WWII.

My interpretation of the original posing on this thread was that NickNZ was talking about preservation of a ship of HMS Plymouth's era ... in which era the St Laurents fit

In any case, I'm sure you would agree that the preservation of ships of significance is important to the maritime history of any sea-faring nation ... and I for one am always in awe of the the people and groups who dedicate so much of their time and effort in making such preservation possible
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Old 26th June 2012, 20:27
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I totally agree with stevo; Hermes, she can combine the development of naval aviation along with warship design such features as mirror landing, steam catapults, angle deck etc..
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Old 27th June 2012, 17:17
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Scatari, I was taken by suprise in regard's to your comment's about the preservation scene in Canada as I alway's felt that Canada had a good record in preserving it's Military past which is why I mentioned the Corvette. It would appear that there is a bias toward's the preservation of military aircraft!! (Karl is doing well with the Halifax). Getting back to the era mentioned if people put a photo of a Daring Class up against the St Laurent Class the Daring's look's well out of date bearing in mind they were built around the same time. Vanguard had a nice line to her when appproaching her in a Montague.
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Old 27th June 2012, 19:46
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Hello Chadburn:

In broad terms you are entirely correct concerning Canada's preservation of our military past.

From an army perspective there are countless examples of preserved tanks, armoured vehicles and artillery pieces at military bases, war memorials, militia armouries, etc., etc., across this vast country.

From an airforce perspective I think Canada has one of the finest collections of vintage (mainly WWII) aircraft in the world. Two organizations in particular are noteworthy in this regard; the Canadian Warplane Heritage Museum in Hamilton, Ontario (almost 40 aircraft, of which almost 30 are flyable!) and Vintage Wings of Canada in Gatineau, Quebec (where I live) (which has approximately 20 aircraft, of which 12 are flyable). Between these two collections are everything from a Lancaster (flyable), Spitfires and Hurricanes (also flyable) and my personal favourite, a Swordfish (also flyable). Probably the most well-known of these aircraft in this part of the world are the Lancaster and the Hurricane which do "flypasts" over the Ottawa/Gatineau area on such occasions as Remembrance Day. The sight of the massive old Lanc, escorted by the Hurricane, is a treat!

As you will appreciate, the problem with preserving the Navy's heritage is for many reasons far more complex. The sheer size of ships, the complexity of their systems, the huge amount of money required to maintain them ... all pose huge obstacles. I suppose that we haven't done too badly in Canada when all things are considered.

At the moment we have four preserved warships of different vintages: HMCS Sackville, the Tribal Class destroyer HMCS Haida, the Oberon Class submarine HMCS Onondaga and the hydrofoil HMCS Bras d'Or. In addition, a second submarine, HMCS Ojibwa, is now being moved up to a new home on Lake Erie, Ontario to be preserved.

But I digress ... again, to return to the original thrust of this post, I feel very sad that we were unable to preserve at least one member of the St Laurent Class and its offspring (20 ships in all) as they were in essence the Canadian Navy for most of the 1960s - 1980s. They were uniquely Canadian and thus formed a huge part of our naval heritage. (The fact that I served in seven of them during a lengthy naval career has, of course, nothing to do with my feelings!?)

Anyway ... my long-suffering wife has just remarked that I am supposed to be responding to a thread, NOT writing a book, so I must sign off.

My apologies to you and to our wonderful moderators ... hope they won't delete this post when they see me talking about tanks and aircraft on this nautical site.

All the best to you!
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Old 28th June 2012, 14:44
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Thank you Scatari and the same to you, hopefully after the Olympic's are finished there may be more Lottery fund's made available for our larger Maritime Preservation project's, it could be that if the interested parties who are working hard to hang on to the Plymouth at the moment hang on in there for a little while yet. Possibly the Bronington too could be funded.
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I always liked that Idea of turning Invincible into a multistory car park, cant remember which town offered that proposal, good idea though. shame it never happened. there would have certainly always been a source of revenue to maintain her.

Aside from that it wold have been nice to save a Leander, shame Scylla never made it back to Devonport as a museum piece, at least she is still of some use.
HMS Scylla is well worth taking a look at near Whitsands. I went and had a look at her deck a few years ago. I wasn't allowed any further down on the ordinary PADI ticket I had, so I took the next one (advanced) to be allowed to reach the bottom of her hull, but haven't been diving since. I'm sure that she must be a very positive tourist attraction for the Plymouth area.
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a wee thought about the sir tristam make her a moveing museam she could sail into different ports and give joy to people all over the country instead of just being in one port. allso when the illustious goes turn her into a traveling G8 summit centre there by saveing a vast amount of money on security and acommadation. just an idea lol
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Today's Plymouth Evening Herald has an article about HMS Plymouth which says the Birkenhead dock company says they have previously sold HMS Plymouth to a foreign company and aren't in a position to sell it to the group which has been trying to save it.

If you google Plymouth Evening Herald the site mentions the story.

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Plymouth and her class were the forerunners to the leanders in anycase like a trails platform if you like !!
But my choice would be a great deal older and that would be HMS WARSPITE
Another vote for Warspite.That was a real historic ship with such a varied record through both world wars.
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As for current ships I would say get Hermes back from India and preserve the Falklands flagship.She is the longest operational serving aircrft carrier ever,and will represent the last time a British fleet ever went to war and won.
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Today's Saturday Plymouth Evening Herald has a large close up photo of HMS Plymouth which you would be able to see if you google the Evening Herald site. It's on the 'your views' page.

I noticed the other day on another web page that parts of HMS Plymout eg chapel have already been relocated. The Fort Perch museum in Birkenhead (which also has several radio rooms) has the chapel and some other items apparently.
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Today's Saturday Plymouth Evening Herald has a large close up photo of HMS Plymouth which you would be able to see if you google the Evening Herald site. It's on the 'your views' page.

I noticed the other day on another web page that parts of HMS Plymout eg chapel have already been relocated. The Fort Perch museum in Birkenhead (which also has several radio rooms) has the chapel and some other items apparently.
They must have relocated Fort Perch Rock overnight! I was in there yesterday and it was in its customary spot in New Brighton!
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There is a photo of HMS Plymouth showing her shortly after she was bombed during the Falklands war in today's Plymouth Evening Herald page 10 under the 'Your say' page. It can be accessed by googling 'Plymouth Evening Herald Your say'.
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