GRACE (Nederlands) - Ships Nostalgia
17:07

Welcome
Welcome!Welcome to Ships Nostalgia, the world's greatest online community for people worldwide with an interest in ships and shipping. Whether you are crew, ex-crew, ship enthusiasts or cruisers, this is the forum for you. And what's more, it's completely FREE.

Click here to go to the forums home page and find out more.
Click here to join.
Log in
User Name Password

GRACE (Nederlands)

User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools
  #1  
Old 22nd November 2005, 12:48
nigelcollett's Avatar
nigelcollett nigelcollett is offline  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 426
GRACE (Nederlands)

While in Alesund a few months ago I saw this attractive yacht called GRACE and flying the Nederland flag with a cross with a crown in the top corner, see my interpretation from a senile memory.

As I am showing my ignorance could one of you fill me in with some details of the vessel and also the ensign

Many thanks

NigelC
Attached Images
File Type: jpg [email protected] (48.3 KB, 61 views)
File Type: gif ensign.GIF (2.3 KB, 32 views)
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 23rd November 2005, 12:11
Jan Hendrik's Avatar
Jan Hendrik Jan Hendrik is offline  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 1,959
I have never seen a Dutch flag like that before.
Depicting a crown would mean royalty, but the Dutch swing an orange banner next to the flag when the monarchie is involved.
It could be the house flag of a shipping company.

Perhaps Ruud can help out??
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 23rd November 2005, 13:01
ruud's Avatar
ruud ruud is offline  
Senior Member
Organisation: Merchant Navy
Department: Hotels / Catering
Active: 1959 - 1993
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
My location
Posts: 5,898
Ahoy,

Yep I've looked all over, but can't find any information of that flag,not as a company or Royal flag, as Jan mentioned, there could be "some Royalty", as for the ship, I never seen/heard of her,and just found a picture on the i-net:and will look further for some info.

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/893/grace19ey.th.jpg
Source unknown
__________________
All the best
ruud
Changer de cuisine donne de l'appétit!
My piccies also @:
http://www.vesseltracker.com/en/Phot...06a43771da649b
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 23rd November 2005, 13:03
Frank P's Avatar
Frank P Frank P is offline  
Senior Member
Organisation: Merchant Navy
Department: Deck
Active: 1967 - 1976
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
My location
Posts: 7,019
Hi Nigel, I have found article this article on a Norwegian website, I am not sure if it is the same ship or not (maybe in her earlier life).
Here is the link.

http://www.grace.no/engelsk/
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 23rd November 2005, 13:30
nigelcollett's Avatar
nigelcollett nigelcollett is offline  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 426
Thanks everbody

Ruud - the crown on the ensign could have been slightly different but, as my wife will confirm, that was the general design of the ensign. Unforetunately it was the last shot on my film so could get a pic of the ensign.

Frank - Have looked at the site you mentioned, it is very similar and too much of a coincidence not to be true. The pic there is a drawing I think. There are difference but she could have been modified.

It going to annoy me until I can tie it all down.

Regards

NigelC
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 23rd November 2005, 13:47
Jan Hendrik's Avatar
Jan Hendrik Jan Hendrik is offline  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 1,959
I think it is a totally different ship, even in case she would have been modified.
The port holes are not in same sequence, the anchor is placed not in same spot and both decks are a totally different design.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 23rd November 2005, 18:12
nigelcollett's Avatar
nigelcollett nigelcollett is offline  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 426
Jan

Im afraid I am inclined to agree with you but haven't completely ruled out the possibility even if remote

NigelC
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 23rd November 2005, 18:20
gdynia's Avatar
gdynia gdynia is offline   SN Supporter
Senior Member
Organisation: Merchant Navy
Department: Deck
Active: 1970 - 2010
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
My location
Posts: 12,975
Flag

Asked a few of the Dutch crew onboard here they say this flag is quite common on sailing boats in the Netherland Antillies, they think its from a yacht squadron there
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 23rd November 2005, 21:48
Jan Hendrik's Avatar
Jan Hendrik Jan Hendrik is offline  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 1,959
I never saw it in the Netherlands Antilles. I lived there and worked in the shipping business (as always)
Still intrigues me, this flag or ensign.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 24th November 2005, 12:15
nigelcollett's Avatar
nigelcollett nigelcollett is offline  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 426
We may never know

NigelC
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 24th November 2005, 13:00
Jan Hendrik's Avatar
Jan Hendrik Jan Hendrik is offline  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 1,959
I will ask a friend in the Neth Antilles, he is in the marine business too.
Jan
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 24th November 2005, 14:37
paul0510's Avatar
paul0510 paul0510 is offline  
Senior Member
Organisation: Merchant Navy
Department: Navigation
Active: 1967 - 1981
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
My location
Posts: 636
..here is a start...down the bottom, 'GRACE'.

http://www.ginton.com/list.htm Naval Architect

GINTON naval architects
Zijlweg 148 C
2015 BJ Haarlem HOLLAND
tel +31 23 5421985

+31 515 443 008 Shipyard Sijperda

give 'em a call, Ruud !!
__________________
- Paul O'Donovan

Last edited by paul0510; 24th November 2005 at 14:56..
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 24th November 2005, 15:47
ruud's Avatar
ruud ruud is offline  
Senior Member
Organisation: Merchant Navy
Department: Hotels / Catering
Active: 1959 - 1993
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
My location
Posts: 5,898
Ahoy Paul,
This is a "golden clue",thanks for that.
Just called the designer [Mr.Ginton-Israel] of the GRACE, and he told me, to contact me next Monday, cos he wasn't in the office at the moment, but in Italy.Well the only thing, he could tell me, that the Grace was Dutch registered at the The Transport and Water Management Inspectorate.About the owner, he will ask,getting his permission to name it.So we have to wait a few days more.I promised him to mail all the facts, so that he will be informed, the best way we could do.

Here my mail:
Ahoy,
Dear Mr.Ginton,
I just called you[in Italy] 24-11-2005,about some information of this very attractive looking yacht,so called the "Grace"; I'm super moderator of one of the biggest forum sites of the world, ShipsNostalgia, in where we discusses all kind of ships,vessels; one of our members[almost 4000] has taken her on photo in Alesund[Norway].The reason why , I made that phonecall is, 'we would like to know some more details of her; Owner/Flag/IMO/CallSign/Measures, so please help us out of this dilemma.
Note: Included some files, and our website at:
https://www.shipsnostalgia.com/showthread.php?t=3661

only registration needed.
http://by113fd.bay113.hotmail.msn.co...42d&mimepart=6
groeten ruud
__________________
All the best
ruud
Changer de cuisine donne de l'appétit!
My piccies also @:
http://www.vesseltracker.com/en/Phot...06a43771da649b

Last edited by ruud; 24th November 2005 at 16:34..
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 28th November 2005, 12:27
ruud's Avatar
ruud ruud is offline  
Senior Member
Organisation: Merchant Navy
Department: Hotels / Catering
Active: 1959 - 1993
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
My location
Posts: 5,898
Ahoy,

Just received this message from Mr.Jaron Ginton:

Dear Ruud,
The Grace is registered as a cargo ship at the "Nederlands Shipping Inspectorate" in Rotterdam. (Inspectie Verkeer en Waterstaat).
Dutch flag.
Her call sign (roepletters) is PBCR.
Id no. 36575
The ship owners: Stentor shipco bv
Length over all :40.09m
Length water line 36.93m
Beam (moulded) 7.90m
Maximum draft 2.84m
Hull material: Steel
Deckhouse 1st tier: Steel
Deckhouse 2nd tier: Aluminium

Regards,
Jaron Ginton


GINTON naval architects
Zijlweg 148C
2015 BJ Haarlem, Holland
T +31 23 5421985
F +31 23 5422485
www.ginton.com
[email protected]


http://www1.veristar.com/veristar/re...c?OpenDocument

http://www.stentoryachts.com/
__________________
All the best
ruud
Changer de cuisine donne de l'appétit!
My piccies also @:
http://www.vesseltracker.com/en/Phot...06a43771da649b
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 28th November 2005, 16:37
nigelcollett's Avatar
nigelcollett nigelcollett is offline  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 426
Hi everybody

Thankyou all very much for your help and pointers for GRACE especially to Ruud for contacting Ginton's. I certainly didn't expect it to be such a serialised saga when I set this inquiry in motion. It nearly became a soap opera.

Once again many thanks

NigelC
Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off




Support SN


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging v3.1.0 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2020 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
vBulletin Security provided by vBSecurity v2.2.2 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2020 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.