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Old 26th October 2012, 23:47
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My father sailed aboard the Baron Elgin for a few weeks and always wondered if she and her captain survived the war. I hoped to find out more.
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Old 26th October 2012, 23:56
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Old 27th October 2012, 02:36
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My father sailed aboard the Baron Elgin for a few weeks and always wondered if she and her captain survived the war. I hoped to find out more.
r/n1958 SPIDOLA. b/u Bruges arr.28.3.70
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I was Apprentice and later 2nd Mate with Hogarth's of Glasgow from 1858 - 1965
The 'Baron Elgin' was built 1933, sold by Hogarth's mid 1950's during my early apprenticeship I did sail with a few people who had sailed on her including service in WW II.

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Old 27th October 2012, 09:31
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Welcome Robin to a great site. Did have to study the dates 1858 1965, then scrolled down a bit more, Ah thats better. My Dad sailed Chief Engineer with Hogarth. I believe the very early 1900's.
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Old 28th October 2012, 22:30
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Baron Elgin the most wonderfull ship in the world

She stopped and picked about 30 of us from our upsidedown lifeboat in the middle of a u-boat attack and dropped us off in Madeira.

Getting aboard someone gave me a tumbler half full of whisky. I drank it then immediately spewed up about a gallon of seawater onto someones cabin floor.

Ahh memories that you never forget

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My father sailed aboard the Baron Elgin for a few weeks and always wondered if she and her captain survived the war. I hoped to find out more.
The Baron Elgin did survive the war as did her Master Capt James Cameron. I sailed with the Baron Line from 1947-1951 and with Capt. Cameron from 1949-1951 on the Baron Maclay where he was First Mate. As a matter of interest when Master of the Baron Elgin he was awarded the OBE and Lloyds War Medal for picking up survivors from the torpedoed Baron Vernon when both vessels were part of convoy SL125.
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Details of the awards for Captain Cameron below:

Seedie's List of Awards to the Merchant Navy
Lloyd's War Medal for Bravery at Sea by George A. Brown.

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I sailed with James Cameron when he was 1st Mate on the Cape York 14months 1963-64.
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Details of the awards for Captain Cameron below:

Seedie's List of Awards to the Merchant Navy
Lloyd's War Medal for Bravery at Sea by George A. Brown.

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Thanks for that Hugh. I did know but had forgotten that he rescued survivors from more than one ship and as a Uboat was circling the Baron Elgin but making no attempt to prevent the rescue.
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My grandfather, Capt Eric Alexander Brown, was master of Baron Jedburgh when she was attacked by U532 in mid Atlantic. All but the gunner survived and spent 12 days in an open boat before reaching Brazil. Baron Jedburgh did not survive the war, but my grandfather did. Sadly he died in 1953 before I was around to get to know him!
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She stopped and picked about 30 of us from our upsidedown lifeboat in the middle of a u-boat attack and dropped us off in Madeira.

Getting aboard someone gave me a tumbler half full of whisky. I drank it then immediately spewed up about a gallon of seawater onto someones cabin floor.

Ahh memories that you never forget

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Hello - just found this thread, I've been looking for information on behalf of my mum and my aunt, whose father was on the SS Tasmania, in convoy SL 125 - torpedoed and picked up by the Baron Elgin and landed in Madeira in November '42. Was this the ship you were on? We have a photo of some of the survivors in a ballroom in Madeira.
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Hello, I just found this thread after talking to my future father in law about the shipyard he worked in on the Clyde.

It got me thinking about the ship my grandfather sailed in and I remembered it was the Elgin something. After a bit more searching found this page.

Anyway, my name is Bruce Cameron and my grandfather was the same James Cameron who was the master of the Baron Elgin.

I had a quick chat with my aunt (his daughter) and she asked me to tell those who were interested that my grandfather carried on working up until 1972 and retired a week before the wedding of my mother and father (his son) in te April of 72. Apparently he had been away for 2 years working in the Chinese seas and my grandmother had a week to get him back into shape for the wedding. Haha!

He died in 1978 when I was 5. I remember nothing but good times of him being my grandfather and i still have the wooden hull of a toy yacht he was making for me but never finished.

I also have all the reports that he had written whilst in Madeira and newspaper clippings from the event. What's news to me, is that this doesn't appear to be the first time he did that.

I would love to hear from anyone who met him, worked with him or has any connection to the events.

I would like to put up a blog or some sort of we page with all the information/photos I have.

(Some more personal information). My grandfather had 2 children. My aunt born in 1940 and my father born in 1944. I have hundreds of old photographs of him at my parents house of him in uniform and I would love to share these with anyone who is interested.

Thanks for listening and looking forward to hearing form anyone.
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Old 29th September 2013, 15:42
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My father sailed aboard the Baron Elgin for a few weeks and always wondered if she and her captain survived the war. I hoped to find out more.
I would be interested in knowing if you find out and hope she did. She was the vessel that hauled me our of the Atlantic and placed me safely in Madeira 1942.

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Old 29th September 2013, 16:18
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I would be interested in knowing if you find out and hope she did. She was the vessel that hauled me our of the Atlantic and placed me safely in Madeira 1942.

Chas
This is what i found out about her.

built by D & W Henderson Ltd Glasgow,
Yard No 928
Engines by shipbuilder
Last Name: SPIDOLA (1958)
Port of Registry: CorintoNicaragua
Propulsion: Steam triple exp3cy 1700ihp
Launched: Wednesday, 06/09/1933
Built: 1933
Ship Type: Cargo Vessel
Tonnage: 4105 grt | 2318 nrt | 6400 dwt
Length: 382 feet
Breadth: 52 feet 8
Draught: 22 feet
Owner History:
H Hogarth & Sons
Status: Arrived for Scrapping - 28/03/1970

Remarks: Broken up at Bruges

http://www.clydesite.co.uk/clydebuil...ip.asp?id=5562
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Extracted from my book, SHIPPING COMPANY LOSSES OF THE SECOND WORLD WAR.

TASMANIA (ex-Danish and managed for the Ministry of War Transport) (Captain Hans Christian Roder). In Convoy SL.125 which sailed from Freetown on 16 October, 1942. U-boats began to attack on the evening of the 26th. During the morning of the 28th, the Tasmania stopped to pick up survivors of the Hope Castle (Captain Dugald McGilp) and hurriedly caught up with the Convoy again. Damaged by a torpedo fired by U.659 (KrvKpt. Hans Stock) at about 10pm on the 30th, but able to continue. At about 0010 on the 31st, struck and sunk by 2 torpedoes fired by U.103 (Kptlt. Gustav-Adolf Janssen), in position 36º06´N 16º59´W. Forty-one in one boat were picked up by the Mano and landed at Greenock on 9 November. Forty-four in the other boat were picked up by the Norwegian ship Alaska (Captain Berge Mevatne) shortly before she too was torpedoed, by U.510 (FrgKpt. Karl Neitzel), but managed to reach Lisbon on 11 November. The Baron Elgin (Captain J.S. Cameron) stopped and, after taking 40 minutes to rescue a man from the water, she came across one of the Tasmania’s boats and took 40 on board, including 16 from the Hope Castle. She then went on to pick up the entire 49 from the Baron Vernon (Captain Peter Liston), sunk by U.604 (Kptlt. Horst Höltring), and all were landed at Funchal, Madeira. Two died.

BARON VERNON (Captain P. Liston). Bound for Port Talbot from Pepel, sailed in Convoy SL.125 which left Freetown on 16 October, 1942. Torpedoed and sunk by U.604 (Kptlt. Horst Höltring) at about 11pm on the 30th, in position 36º06´N 16º59´W. All 49 picked up by the Baron Elgin and landed at Madeira. For details of other ships sunk in Convoy SL.125, see under Nagpore, P & O.

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Hello again - note Bruce and Ian's replies - I'd be very interested if anything you unearth relates to my grandfather, Capt E A Brown. He was master with Hogarths from the 1920s through the war to 1953. He started his early life at sea on the last of the windjammers, and was on ships (Deccan and Swanhilda) wrecked twice in successive years off S America; Army in WW1, then Merchant Navy. Torpedoed twice in Atlantic - Western Chief, 1941 and Baron Jedburgh, 1945. Was also on Barons Dalmeny, Forbes, Tweedmouth, Ruthven, Garioch, Vernon, Ailsa, Cawdor.
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The Baron Elgin did survive the war as did her Master Capt James Cameron. I sailed with the Baron Line from 1947-1951 and with Capt. Cameron from 1949-1951 on the Baron Maclay where he was First Mate. As a matter of interest when Master of the Baron Elgin he was awarded the OBE and Lloyds War Medal for picking up survivors from the torpedoed Baron Vernon when both vessels were part of convoy SL125.
They also picked up survivors from the Tasmania, we were alongside the Baron Vernon climbing up a cargo net when she was torpedoed.
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Two more extracts.

WESTERN CHIEF. Bound for Newport, Mon., sailed in Convoy SC.24 which left Halifax on 28 February, 1941. Straggling when torpedoed and sunk by Italian submarine Emo (TV Giuseppe Roselli Lorenzini) shortly after 1pm on 14 March, in position 58º52´N 21º13´W. Twenty-four died and 19 survived.

BARON JEDBURGH (Captain E.A. Brown). Unescorted and bound for Durban from New York, via Trinidad and Cape Town, when torpedoed and sunk by U.532 (FregKpt. Ottoheinrich Junker) on 10 March, 1945, in position 10º02´S 25º00´W. One died. Thirty-three landed at Cabedello in Brazil on the 22nd. Twenty-five picked up by the Sandown Castle on the 16th and landed at Montevideo on the 26th.
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