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It took good men to run such ships. Running the client was always more difficult, horses to water and all that. An owner makes the mistake of spending money on what he wants to and not on what he needs to. The manager has to spend what is needed with the money the owner wants for something else.

I remember Denmark's Em D/A (As I do TOR I and TOR II) and that the door would be dangerously sucked shut if it started with it unsecured. Was it still in situ when she went for scrap? Those for the main generators on the ex Uiterwyk reefers (largest EM Slip couplings ever made) were long gone when we got a couple. The only evidence being the rail on which the lead curtain had run around them to stop the disintegrating running gear flying further from the crankcase than necessary.

Sunderland Forge was just that sort of Rolls Royce.

There is an old joke. I have a Stradivarius and a Rembrandt. Unfortunately Stradivarius did not paint well nor Mr. Rembrandt make good violins.
 

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I was 1st trip Engineer Cadet on Norvegia Team, Capt George Hay, I thought I had entered a mad house, but had a great time. Joined in Cape Town then Freeport Bahamas, Ras Tanura, Kaoshung, Hay Point then left in Taranto
E/C on Advara in SE ASia and Australia
J/E on Loch Maree, Asia Liner, Troll Park, Arctic Troll and Scotstoun.
Went ashore after twice being relieved by Sri Lankans on 50% my salary serving trips 50% longer
 

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I was 1st trip Engineer Cadet on Norvegia Team, Capt George Hay, I thought I had entered a mad house, but had a great time. Joined in Cape Town then Freeport Bahamas, Ras Tanura, Kaoshung, Hay Point then left in Taranto
E/C on Advara in SE ASia and Australia
J/E on Loch Maree, Asia Liner, Troll Park, Arctic Troll and Scotstoun.
Went ashore after twice being relieved by Sri Lankans on 50% my salary serving trips 50% longer
Dave, were you in the August 1973 intake at Glasgow CNS?
 

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Dave,
When were you on Norvegia Team and Loch Maree?
I was on Loch Maree Feb 77 to June 77 and Oct 79 to Mar 80, Norvegia Team Sept 77 to Feb 78.

What did you do when you came ashore?
 

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I was 1st trip Engineer Cadet on Norvegia Team, Capt George Hay, I thought I had entered a mad house, but had a great time. Joined in Cape Town then Freeport Bahamas, Ras Tanura, Kaoshung, Hay Point then left in Taranto
E/C on Advara in SE ASia and Australia
J/E on Loch Maree, Asia Liner, Troll Park, Arctic Troll and Scotstoun.
Went ashore after twice being relieved by Sri Lankans on 50% my salary serving trips 50% longer
Would you have been on the Scotstoun in 1971-1972?
 

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Would you have been on the Scotstoun in 1971-1972?
I was Junior Engineer. Not sure of dates but joined in Rio then loaded bagged sugar in Recife for Bandar Abbas. Swing there at anchor for ages, then alongside for unloading, mostly by hand and very slowly, by Afghans, at the beginning of the Iranian revolution. Eventually left, without pilot, in company with some other vessels. Loaded Iron ore at Goa ( again mostly by hand ) then discharged in Constanza - Romania where we did a complete Officer and Crew change with a chartered twin turbo prop flight back to Prestwick where 2 of the UK crew were arrested for something they did before joining.
 

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This thread starts with "Anyone left from". , always gives me a start , are we all fading away . Will the last crewman close the hatch.
A better thread start is "Any old Bankers out there"
Don't worry , there are thousands of us.

Bob
 

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I was Junior Engineer. Not sure of dates but joined in Rio then loaded bagged sugar in Recife for Bandar Abbas. Swing there at anchor for ages, then alongside for unloading, mostly by hand and very slowly, by Afghans, at the beginning of the Iranian revolution. Eventually left, without pilot, in company with some other vessels. Loaded Iron ore at Goa ( again mostly by hand ) then discharged in Constanza - Romania where we did a complete Officer and Crew change with a chartered twin turbo prop flight back to Prestwick where 2 of the UK crew were arrested for something they did before joining.
The Iranian revolution was 1979, unless you're talking about the one in 1953.
 

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Anyone been on these?
Helm 1983
Bise 1984
Pacific Express 1985, 1986
Canada's Tomorrow 1985
Taifung (ex Blue Whale) 1986, 1987

Bob Dewick
Hi Bob I was on the Cast Heron when she changed her name to Helm anchored off Gibraltar. Joined 19/06/1983 at Huelva and left 22/10/1983 at Genoa - last ship in Denholm's

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Hi Andy, I was Mate on the Helm from Dec 1983 to Apr 1984. You're right. She was a wreck. I was regular in Denholms, but I nearly walked off in Rotterdam. Luckily, a riding squad joined there, and all the defective cargo valves were repaired. Helm was later sold to the Turkish company (Sonmez, I think), and later, I was sent there as a Training Officer for Denholms in 1986/87when the Turks were having trouble. By then she was Inci S. That ship was 'Trouble'.
I found various name changes as follows:
Former name(s):
- Comrade (Until 1994)
- Comtrade (Until 1993 Nov)
- Chihirosan (Until 1989 Mar)
- Eurobulk Carrier (Until 1989)
- Inci S (Until 1988)
- Helm (Until 1986)
- Cast Heron (Until 1983)
- Nordic Chieftain (Until 1981)

Bob Dewick
 

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Hi Andy, I was Mate on the Helm from Dec 1983 to Apr 1984. You're right. She was a wreck. I was regular in Denholms, but I nearly walked off in Rotterdam. Luckily, a riding squad joined there, and all the defective cargo valves were repaired. Helm was later sold to the Turkish company (Sonmez, I think), and later, I was sent there as a Training Officer for Denholms in 1986/87when the Turks were having trouble. By then she was Inci S. That ship was 'Trouble'.
I found various name changes as follows:
Former name(s):
- Comrade (Until 1994)
- Comtrade (Until 1993 Nov)
- Chihirosan (Until 1989 Mar)
- Eurobulk Carrier (Until 1989)
- Inci S (Until 1988)
- Helm (Until 1986)
- Cast Heron (Until 1983)
- Nordic Chieftain (Until 1981)

Bob Dewick
Hi Bob,

I was also sent over to her with an Engineer Cadet from the Cast Kittiwake when anchored up the Gulf Autumn 1982 to assist in removing a cargo valve in the pumproom. We were up to our thighs in in crude oil and trying to work with spark free tools. We were there for 2 days but got called back to the Kittiwake before the job was finished as she had received orders to load oil at Kharg Island. She had a history of leaking cargo valves.

Andy McArthur
 

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NORDIC CHIEFTAIN / CAST HERON / HELM OBO
O.N. 363449. 86,098g. 59,370n. 161,798d. 957’ 6” x 140’ 3” x 81’ 0”
8-cyl 2 SCSA (980 x 2000mm) B&W type by Harland & Wolff Ltd, Belfast. 30,400bhp
5.4.1974: Launched by Sunderland Ship Builders Ltd., North Sands Yard Sunderland (Yard No.732)
11.1974: Completed for Anglo-Eastern Bulkships Ltd. (Denholm Ship Management Ltd)
22.11.1974: Registered at London
1981: Sold to Cast Combination Carriers Ltd and renamed CAST HERON
1983: Sold to Marvin Brook Ltd, and renamed HELM
1986: Sold to Ziden Denizcilik ve Ticaret A.S.Turkey and renamed INCI-S.
1988: Sold to Emmersdale Shipping S.A. Panama and renamed CHIHIROSAN
1989: Renamed EUROBULK CARRIER
1989: Renamed E.B.CARRIER
1992: Renamed COMRADE
1994: Renamed BULK ATHENA
28.7.1994: Arrived at Alang for demolition
 

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BillH, would that be Bill Hornsby? This is Bob Dewick
No, sorry not Bill Hornsby.

I have never worked for Denholm - currently well advanced researching the company and fleet intended for an illustrated book, either digital on CD or USB stick or if I can persuade a publisher - a printed book.

My work currently stands at 265 pages A5 format
 

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rare english in denholms.
crinan 1963 john cassels cabin mate.
sailed many debholm ships, can understand all dialects in scotland, after sailing with denholms great company great people,
 
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