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Hi all.

A couple of items that may be of interest, Dredger Bowbelle sank off the island of Madeira in 1996, renamed Bom Rei, this may have been covered elsewhere on SN. However this site has some good pictures of the wreck.

http://www.scuba-madeira.com/englisch/wrecks.html

Also, I stumbled across a transcript of the Woolwich radio transmissions from the night of the Marchioness incident.

http://www.marchioness-bowbelle.org.uk/do***ents/pdf's/COR_00410.pdf

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Gor
 

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I can remember another plant just around the other side of the isle of dogs but cant remember the name.
Union Wharf, dreadful berth to get on to, almost as bad as Orchard :) When I was first made up to Master with South Coast I went on to the Bow Trader (taking over from Eddie Sprunks) then later on to the Bowknight - renamed Sand Kite.

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i did the maiden voyage on the bow knight under ralp story well nice skipper and a good crew.Sailed from cardiff to dordrech via the ship wash bank
 

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My father Graham Sommerfield was mate later Master on Bowstar, BowLine Bowcrest working from Bowles wharf in the late 70's
 

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Tried to watch that. Afraid I couldn't watch such a sad end to a ship I had the 'pleasure' of sailing in (directly pre-Marchioness, there but for the Grace of God go I ). She wasn't a bad ship, or badly crewed, just the wrong place at the wong time.
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Hi, you just made the old man's day. sorry did not get you name. if you or anyone has some pics of the crews/ships it would be great if you could send me some (email address removed as per site policy please use PM to make intial contact) as i am trying to put togeather a scrap book type thing for my dad. The only time i see the old (82)fella smile these days is when we are chatting about the times on board and the stuff that went on!

Thanks again as its has made his day

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Well me beloved dad has left port for the last time at the ripe old age of 87 years 11 months - full ahead chief and god bless xxx
 

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I worked as an engineer mainly at Orchard Wharf back in the 70's. I knew Ossie Osman well and remember the crane drivers Sammy and Bill Bailey, who were based at Orchard Wharf. Ron was the other crane driver based at West Ferry Rd. Had many beers with both who were good card players. The place was ran by an ex copper Jim Barrett and I was still employed when the company was taken over.

I remember working with three fitters, who worked on all the ships, Pete Baggot, Bob Hobbs and Ron Greenwood.

The guys in the office were Brian Dunn, Alan Champness and Mr Griffiths.

We was made redundant in 1983 when Thames Ship Repair was formed and we was based in KG5 dock where I saw the first plane land on the road between where the warehouses used to stand.

After about one year the firm moved to a new yard at Chatham docks, where we parted company. I would be interested if anyone has photos of the two wharves.
 

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My grandad billy Patterson was engineer on the bowline 50/60s never at home on school holidays I remember two steam dredgers from bowles delorane & sunfold
 

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MV Bowqueen

Did'nt the Bow Queen sink in the mouth of the Thames during the late 60's ? If I remember correctly with the loss of the Master and his wife and two crew members ? She must have been subsequently salvaged or was she replaced ?
Hi Gareth. No the Bowqueen sank off Orfordness in the North Sea and not the Mouth of the Thames. The survivors were picked up by the Harwich Lifeboat and taken into Harwich, so were a long way from the Thames. As I explained previously, at the time of this happening I was 2nd Engineer on the Bowquen, but had missed that trip as I was on leave at home in Cardiff. She was on the bottom for about 6 weeks before being lifted and taken to Rotterdam and refitted where I stood by her as Chief Engineer as Cliff Dorman had retired.
 

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Sunfold

I don't know how old you are but if you can remember the Sunfold you must be over 90. Sunfold was the founder or Bowles Sand and Gravel Company's first ship ie George Bowles Senior. His house in Lisvane Cardiff was named after this ship. Before he had a dredger he used to row out from Cardiff on the tide towing a Barge. He would wait for the Tide to ebb and then jump overboard and shovel sand into the Barge by hand. Then wait for the flow and row back and then empty the Barge by hand. They don't make them like that any more.
 

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I recall a dredger mate from Hull called Ronnie Gawthorpe. I was with him in Westminster Dredging or South Coast Shipping, I can't remember. He also went on the anchor handling tugs in the North Sea for either Theriot or Seaspan, there again I can't remember which.
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Hi Ray I was with Westminster on the Hamble job, Marchwood & in Sweden chas
 

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Dear capital3 re sunfold I am sure the delorane came before sun fold I was on the bowline aged ten with my grandad billy Patterson towing the delorane to Newport for scrapping the bowcrest was coming down the Usk what a sight bowline and bowcrest heading for the flatholm remember it well by the way only 68
 

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Sunfold

I think you have the wrong dates. All the ships names starting with BOW[were not built before the Sunfold. The Sunfold was built in the 1930s at least 20 years before George Bowles started having ships built, He first started buying other Sand and Gravel Companies in Cardiff namely Griffiths Sand and Gravel who at that time had 2 ships the Isca and the Instow both registered in Newport. The only other Sand and Gravel Company in those days was Hoveringham who had one ship the Sand Galore. All the Londoin based ships either worked out of Battersea of Orchard Wharf in Poplar. The only other Bowship to work in London for a short spell was the Bowstar (Ray Smart was the Master) but she worked mostly in the Bristol Channel as did the other smaller ships.
You know the Bowles Family involved hands on with the Company were Mr George Bowles Senior. Mr Richard Bowles and Mr Mostyn Bowles
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My father worked with Graham Summerfield - he was a pilot, then a member of Penarth RNLI. I Last saw him when he lived in Lavernock Park. Believe he went into a retirement home a few years back. Great sense of humour!
 

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Anybody remember my dad, Vilis Kuksa? He was know as Billy Stone 'cos few people could pronounce his name. He worked on many of the Bow ships, mainly Crest, Queen, Pride. Often coasting or away for six weeks, home for two.
 

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There were 4 brothers Fred,Les,George and Tom. Fred and George were both masters, Les was also at sea and ended his days as harbour master in Porthcawl, I sailed with Tom on the Bowstar
 
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