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Hi Brian
Yes I joined La Hortensia In france AB with my friend Bert Binks
steward,we did the full voyage paid off Genoa
Regards Artie
 

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Hi, found this site while doing some research while writing my memoirs. I was on the La Hortensia in 66 and first came to Vancouver on her, my current home. I was wondering if you could help out with information regarding the La Hortensia, date she was built, tonnage and what happened to her and when. Not sure if I can get on this site again as am connected to the internet by a sim card but can possibly be reached by PM thanks
 

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Hi, found this site while doing some research while writing my memoirs. I was on the La Hortensia in 66 and first came to Vancouver on her, my current home. I was wondering if you could help out with information regarding the La Hortensia, date she was built, tonnage and what happened to her and when. Not sure if I can get on this site again as am connected to the internet by a sim card but can possibly be reached by PM thanks
LA HORTENSIA

O.N. 302552. 9,486g. 5,957n. 463'2" x 61'3" x 30'7"
7-cyl. 2 S.C.S.A. (630 x 1300mm) 5,800 bhp Gotaverken type oil engine manufactured by Societe Des Forges de la Mediterranee, Havre.

25.5.1960: Launched by Societe Des Forges de la Mediterranee, La Seyne (Yard No. 1344), for Flower Line Ltd., (Buries Markes Ltd., managers), London.

3.1.1961: Completed.

1968: Sold to Buries Markes Ltd.

1968: Sold to Alpha Compania Naviera S.A., Greece, for £585,000, and renamed LAMBROS M. FATSIS.

1972: Sold to Panconquista Armadora S.A., (Gourdomichalis Maritime S.A., managers), Greece, and renamed TRIAENA.

1974: Sold to Campeon Transmares Naviera S. A., Greece, and renamed KAVO GROSSOS.

1979: Sold to Makriti M.Shipping Company S. A., (Marimar S. A. managers), Greece, and renamed APOSTOLOS M. III.

1980: Sold to Golden Sharp Shipping Company S. A., Greece, and renamed NIKOLAOS CH.

1981: Golden Wave Shipping Company S. A., became managers.

1985: Sold to Nilegulf Shipping Company S.A., Egypt, and renamed YOUNIS GULF.

1987: Demolished.
 

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The Hortensia was long before my time. Only did one trip with Buries Markes, on the La Primavera in 1985 - just before it was sold to a Japanese company. It was Japanese built and by some distance the best built and most reliable engine room I ever experienced.
 

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The Hortensia was long before my time. Only did one trip with Buries Markes, on the La Primavera in 1985 - just before it was sold to a Japanese company. It was Japanese built and by some distance the best built and most reliable engine room I ever experienced.
LA PRIMAVERA (2nd of name in fleet) Bulk carrier.

O.N. 379756. 25,552g. 12,972n. 182.00(BB) x 29.06 x 11.588 metres.
7-cyl. 2.S.C.S.A. (740 x 1,600mm) 13,100 bhp B. & W. type oil engine manufactured by the shipbuilder's Tamana Works.

1976: Ordered by Societe Louis Dreyfus et Compagnie, from Mitsui Engineering & Shipbuilding Company Ltd., Ichihara, Chiba Pref. (Yard No. 1140).

8.2.1978: Launched, for Buries Markes Ltd.

3.1979: Completed for Baxter Shipping Ltd., London, (Buries Markes (Ship Management) Ltd., managers).

1985: Sold to Sun Maiko Marine (Pte) Ltd., Sri Lanka, (same managers) and renamed SUN MAIKO.

1986: Renamed MANNAR.

1989: Vermillion Overseas Management Company Ltd., appointed as managers.

1990: Sold to Kristian Gerhard Jebsen Skipsrederei AS, Norway, thence to Nueva Enterprise Ltd., (Southern Shipmanagement (Chile) Ltd., managers), Liberia, and renamed GREBE ARROW.

1992: Renamed BIO BIO.

1993: Sold to Compania SudAmericana de Vapores (CSAV), (same managers), Chile, and renamed BIO BIO 1.
 

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does anyone know any website or have any info on La Sierra of the 1940-50 - 60s with the bridge amidships?? - am also after a pic of the Burries Markes Flag - thanks - cheers Jay
I was second engieer on La Sierra for seven months in 1954 aqnd three months in !955 before
I swallowed the anchor,and returned to normal life.Ihaven'.t a picture of Buries Markes flag and don't remember it ,athough Ihad 5 years with them.We seemed to spend a lot of time on charters and carried other company,s flag,namely Montreal shipping company.The skipper in 1954 was Matt Dodds and in
1955 Huggins.Frank Callinan was mate and in 1954 and was skipper on the trip I was on leave.
'JimGarnett
 

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LA SIERRA (1) (1950 - 1959)
O.N. 183247. 6,189g. 3,409n. 440.0 x 59.9 x 26.8 feet.
5-cyl. 2 S.C.S.A. (26-3/8" x 91-5/16") oil engine made by the shipbuilder. 5,440 BHP.
17.11.1949: Launched by Wm. Doxford & Sons Ltd., Sunderland (Yard No. 775), for Buries Markes Ltd., London.
6.1950: Completed.
1959: Sold to the Nigerian National Shipping Line Ltd., Nigeria, and renamed DAN FODIO.
1974: Sold to Exeter Navigation Company Ltd., Cyprus, and renamed FOS. 1978: Renamed KRONOS II.
1978: Renamed KRONOS I.
1982: Reported as having been demolished.




Montship Lines Ltd.

Funnel was yellow with a black M

1945
Montship founded by two Canadians, the Laws brothers, with Canadian vessels built during World War II destined for the merchant marine of the Commonwealth, the "parks." They were used on two major routes, Can-Con (Canada/Continent-North Europe) and Can-Med (Canada-Mediterranean).

Gestioni Esercizio Navi-G.E.N., Italy, ( Capoline ) an associate of Louis Dreyfus et Cie, working on the same liner service as Montship (Canada/Europe), became partners in a joint service which became Montship/Capoline.

1956
Louis Dreyfus, already a partner in Montship, takes control of the entire fleet. All the names were prefixed by "Mont," such as Montship and Montclair and were technically managed by Buries Markes.

Funnel became that of Buries Markes only with a blue M on the white band

1963
The last vessel to enter the fleet is the Montrose.

1971
Commercial activities of Montship as a shipowner end with the sale of the Montcalm.
 

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I In 1951 the La estancia was renamed Montcalm and sailed under what was then known as THE
mONTREAL SHIPPING COMPANY It was controlled by Buries Markes and the crew were all from that company.She ran between Montreal and the Med.Later the montrose with a Canadian registry joined
the same route.We carried a Mr and Mrs Laws On one trip and their son on Another trip.they were very nice people.Later in 1953 the MV Retainer under Montreal Shipping Co.but Buries Markes management
ran the same route.
jim Garnett
 

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I In 1951 the La estancia was renamed Montcalm and sailed under what was then known as THE
mONTREAL SHIPPING COMPANY It was controlled by Buries Markes and the crew were all from that company.She ran between Montreal and the Med.Later the montrose with a Canadian registry joined
the same route.We carried a Mr and Mrs Laws On one trip and their son on Another trip.they were very nice people.Later in 1953 the MV Retainer under Montreal Shipping Co.but Buries Markes management
ran the same route.
jim Garnett
LA ESTANCIA
O.N. 181591: 5,212g. 3,010n. 393.2 x 60.1 x 24.8 feet.
Two, 6-cyl. 2 S.C.S.A. (21½" x 29") oil engines made by Nordberg Manufacturing Company, Milwaukee, Wisconsin, geared to single screw shaft. (4,375 BHP total)
2.4.1944: Launched as CAPE DUCATO by Pennsylvania Shipyards Inc., Beaumont, Texas (Yard No. 298), for the United States War Shipping Administration.
6.1944: Completed.
1947: Purchased by Buries Markes Ltd., London, and renamed LA ESTANCIA.
1950: Transferred to Canadian Shipowners Ltd., Canada, (Buries Markes Ltd., managers).
1951: Renamed MONTCALM, registered at Liverpool.
1953: Transferred to Montship Lines Ltd., Canada, (same managers) retaining Liverpool registry.
5.3.1957: Sold to Wilh. Wilhelmsen, Norway, and renamed TYR.
19.4.1967: Sold to Eastern Shipping Lines Inc., Philippines, and renamed EASTERN MARS.
21.4.1975: Arrived at Hong Kong.
26.4.1974: Sold to Lee Sing Company for demolition at Hong Kong.
29.5.1975: Work commenced.


CHUNGKING / RETAINER
O.N. 1843289. 9,393g. 3,781n. 459.7 x 62.2 x 30.8 feet.
Post 1955: 9,451g. 4,150n.
6-cyl. 2 S.C.S.A. (670 x 2,320mm) Doxford type oil engine made by the shipbuilder. 6,800 BHP. 15 kts.
19.1.1950: Launched as CHUNGKING by Scott’s Shipbuilding & Engineering Company Ltd., Greenock (Yard No. 649) for the China Navigation Company Ltd., London.
11.1950: Completed and chartered to Cie. Des Messageries Maritimes France for 18 months.
3.1952: Purchased by The Admiralty, London, (Buries Markes Ltd., appointed as managers).
11.1952: Renamed RETAINER.
7.1954: Arrived at Palmer’s Ltd., Tyneside for conversion to storeship and removed from management.
4.1955: Work completed.
19.11.1979: Arrived at Barcelona under tow from Rosyth for demolition by Desguaces Cataluna S.A.
2.1980: Work well advanced.

MONTROSE
7,805g. 5,758n. 460.1 x 57.3 x 31.8 feet.
8-cyl. 4 S.C.S.A. (29-1/8" x 51-1/16") oil engine made by Schneider-Creusot, Creusot. 4,860 BHP.
3.5.1938: Launched as FRANCOISE L. D. by Ateliers et Chantiers de la Seine Maritime Worms et Cie., Le Trait (Yard No. 86), for Louis-Dreyfus et Cie.
1938 Completed.
1940: Transferred to Cie. Marseillaise de Navigation Coloniale, (Societe d'Armemente de Gerance et d'Etudes Techniques, managers), and renamed CEPHEE.
1946: Removed from management.
1947: Returned to Louis-Dreyfus et Cie., and reverted to FRANCOIS L.D.
1951: Purchased by Montship Lines Ltd., Canada, (Buries Markes Ltd., managers), Liverpool registry, and renamed MONTROSE.
1955: Sold to Rederi Ab Bris, (John Larsson, manager), Sweden, and renamed ATLANTBRIS.
1960: Sold to Arne Larsson & Company, Ab, Sweden, and renamed ATLANTIC FRIEND.
1963: Sold to Atlantic Venture Carriers Inc., (Wah Kwong & Company (Hong Kong) Ltd., managers), Liberia and renamed ATLANTIC VENTURE.
4.2.1969: Departed from Hong Kong enroute for demolition.
Prior to 12.2.1969: Arrived at Kaohsiung.
 

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Just to go slightly off track for a moment.
In 1957 I sailed with Palm Line in the Gambia Palm, Captain Francisco de Imaz
(Franke Imaz) who was supposedly married to the daughter of the Larrianaga
family, her name was Horensia and this ship was named after her.
Is there any truth in this?
Peter (Pat) Baker.
 

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BillH,
I was amazed at the font of knowledge you seem to be on Buries Ships!

I was apprentice on the La Hacienda in 1963, La Colina 1964, La Chacra 1965, La Primavera 1965, La Loma 1966/67 La Sierra 1967/68 (4th Mate) La Estancia 1968/9 (3rd Mate)

You wouldn't have any information on these ships or Ports of call/crew lists?
I know its a long shot, but just thought I'd ask!

Ernest

BTW Someone mentioned Ron Maddison, I sailed with him on the La Sierra!
 

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BillH,
I was amazed at the font of knowledge you seem to be on Buries Ships!

I was apprentice on the La Hacienda in 1963, La Colina 1964, La Chacra 1965, La Primavera 1965, La Loma 1966/67 La Sierra 1967/68 (4th Mate) La Estancia 1968/9 (3rd Mate)

You wouldn't have any information on these ships or Ports of call/crew lists?
I know its a long shot, but just thought I'd ask!

Ernest

BTW Someone mentioned Ron Maddison, I sailed with him on the La Sierra!
Your wish is my command as they say. Unfortunately it is only the fleet details that I have been researching for the Louis Dreyfus Group of which as you probably know Buries Markes was their main British subsidiary although there was a London based Louis Dreyfus & Company Ltd. The number in bracket after the name indicates the relevant use of the name in the fleet = first, second, third etc

LA COLINA (1) (1958 - 1974)
O.N. 187793. 7,216g. 3,391n. 427'0" x 57'2" x 25'0"
Two, 8-cyl. 4 S.C.S.A. (420 x 660mm) oil engines made by Kloeckner - Humboldt - Deutz,A.G. Koeln, geared to a single screw shaft. (4,000 BHP total).
1957: Ordered by Louis Dreyfus et Compagnie from Societe Des Chantiers Reunis Loire - Normandie, Grand Quevilly, Rouen (Yard No. R.309).
6.3.1958: Launched, for Buries Markes Ltd., London.
6.1958: Completed.
1974: Sold to Prekookeanska Plovidba, Jugoslavia, and renamed SUTOMORE.
12.1988: Renamed INCO 110.
31.1.1989: Arrived at Alang for demolition.

LA LOMA (2) (1959 - 1969) Bulk carrier
O.N. 300877. 10,251g. 6,260n. 493'10" x 63'2" x 30'0½"
4-cyl. 2 S.C.S.A. (700 x 2,320mm) oil engine made by the North Eastern Marine Engineering Company Ltd., Wallsend. 5,100 B.H.P.
10.12.1958: Launched by Bartram & Sons Ltd., Sunderland (Yard No. 374), for Buries Markes Ltd., London.
4.1959: Completed.
1969: Sold to Falmouth Shipping Company Ltd., Greece, and renamed FALMOUTH.
1978: Sold to Sunfire Compania Naviera S. A., Greece, and renamed JAPAN AUTO A.
1980: Sold to Scope Maritime Inc., Greece and renamed FISKARDO.
1981: Sold to Avondale Enterprises Inc., (Enias Shipping Company S. A., managers), Greece, and renamed AEGEAN SUN.
1983: Sold to Propiano Shipping Corporation, Greece.
1984: Transferred to Gibraltar registry.
1985: Demolished.

LA PRIMAVERA (1) (1960 - 1969) Bulk carrier
O.N. 301207. 9,486g. 5,957n. 463'2" x 61'3" x 30'7"
7-cyl. 2 S.C.S.A. (630 x 1300mm) Gotaverken type oil engine made by Societe Des Forges de la Mediterranee, Havre. 5,800 B.H.P.
9.4.1960: Launched by Societe Des Forges de la Mediterranee, La Seyne (Yard No. 1343), for Flower Line Ltd., (Buries Markes Ltd., managers), London.
16.9.1960: Completed.
1969: Sold to Buries Markes Ltd.
1970: Sold to the Pan-Islamic Steam Ship Company Ltd., Pakistan, for £785,000, and renamed SAFINA-E-NAJAM.
1979: Sold to Pakistan National Shipping Corporation., Pakistan.
29.6.1979: Whilst on a voyage from Kobe to Mina Kaboos, grounded on Trident Shoal, at a position 11.31N., 114.41E. Subsequently refloated and declared a constructive total loss.
16.11.1979: Arrived at Karachi, under tow from Inchon, for demolition.

LA HACIENDA (2) (1961 - 1965)
5,964g. 3,223n. 468.2 x 60.1 x 24.2 feet.
8-cyl. 2 S.C.S.A. (720 x 1250mm) Sulzer oil engine made by Compagnie de Construction Mechanique Procede Sulzer, St Denis. 5,180 B.H.P.
22.7.1952: Launched as FRANCOISE L D by Ateliers et Chantiers de La Loire, St. Nazaire (Yard No. 355), for Louis-Dreyfus et Cie., France.
2.1953: Completed.
1961: Transferred to Buries Markes Ltd., London, and renamed LA HACIENDA.
1965: Sold to Sefton Steamship Company, Ltd., (Cia. Sudamericana de Fletes S.A., managers), Bermuda, and renamed VALPARAISO.
1971: Sold to Cia. Maritima San Ignacio S.A., Panama, and renamed MOMBASA.
1972: Renamed CONCORDIA MOMBASA.
1972: Reverted to MOMBASA.
1974: Sold to Martriunfo Armadora S.A., Greece, and renamed PERLA.
1981: Sold to Intra Sand Shipping Ltd., (Intercon Transport Management Ltd., managers), Panama, and renamed INTRA SAND.
1982: Global Shipping(Pte)Ltd., became managers.
15.3.1982: Arrived Bombay for demolition.

LA CHACRA (2) (1963 - 1981) Bulk carrier.
O.N. 304484. 16,599g. 10,347n. 617'3" x 75'4" x 31'10"
6-cyl. 2 S.C.S.A. (760 x 1,550mm) Sulzer type oil engine made by Societe Des Forges de la Mediterranee, Havre. 9,000 B.H.P. Thwartship thrust propeller forward.
8.10.1962: Launched by Chantiers Navale de la Ciotat, La Ciotat (Yard No. 214), for Louis Dreyfus & Company Ltd., London.
4.1963: Completed for Buries Markes Ltd., London.
1978: Buries Markes (Ship Management) Ltd., became managers.
1981: Sold to Hamada Shipping Ltd., (Patt Manfield & Company Ltd., managers), Hong Kong, and renamed LAKE BIWA.
1986: Demolished.


LA ESTANCIA (5) (1965 - 1978) Bulk carrier.
O.N. 307941. 28,007g. 17,984n. 720'0" x 92'4" x 40'2"
6-cyl. 2 S.C.S.A. (840 x 1,800mm) oil engine made by the shipbuilder. 13,800 B.H.P.
30.6.1965: Launched by Harland & Wolff Ltd., Belfast (Yard No. 1661), for Buries Markes Ltd., London.
30.9.1965: Completed.
1978: Sold to Danaos Primera Shipping Company S. A., (Comninos Brothers Shipping Company S. A., managers), Greece, and renamed EMMANUEL COMNINOS.
1985: Sold to Woodbine Services Corp., Greece, and renamed JASMIN.
1987: Demolished.


LA SIERRA (3) (1966 - 1980) Bulk carrier.
O.N. 308026. 28,004g. 18,003n. 720'0" x 92'42 x 40'2"
6-cyl. 2 S.C.S.A. (840 x 1,800mm) oil engine made by the shipbuilder. 13,800 B.H.P.
24.11.1965: Launched by Harland & Wolff Ltd., Belfast (Yard No. 1662), for Buries Markes Ltd., London.
12.2.1966: Completed.
1978: Buries Markes (Ship Management) Ltd., became managers.
1980: Sold to Ocean Tramping Company Ltd., Hong Kong, and renamed BRAVERY.
1981: Transferred to Hemisphere Shipping Company, (Ocean Tramping Company Ltd., managers).
29.2.1992: Arrived at Mainland China for demolition.
 

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Thanks a lot for that load of info Bill!

Just to add something about the La Loma for your information, or maybe you already have it.

The Engine was a 4 cylinder Doxford with silly waving arms that carried fuel & oil on the outside of the crankcase!

The bloody thing blew its top just after exiting a typhoon half-way across the Pacific. It blew No2 cylinder head right up into the engine-room skylight and when it came down it demolished no 3/4 cylinder heads. The engineers managed to patch up 3&4 with salvage from No2. We hobbled into Okinawa on 3 cylinders. (not easy to sleep when the engine is oddlegging!)

Still it got us 10 days in Kobe for repairs. They flew out 20 tons of spares from Glasgow.

Ernest
 

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I also saw her 1968ish when she visited Londonderry with a part cargo of grain. She was one of the largest vessels to visit the old upriver port.
 

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Sailed with an Australian 2nd Engineer called Bob Towler in the late 70's and 80's when I with Fishers on the Albright Explorer and Albright Pioneer, he was always on about the time he sailed with Buries Markes in the early 60's especially on the La Hortensia only he didn't quite pronounce it as it should be.

We was married to a Welsh lady named Winnie and lived in Swansea, the way he treated his body i doubt if he is still alive but if he is he would be late 70's.

Wonder if any of you sailed with him

Wallyh

Wally
 

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Just looking at comments regarding the MV Montrose. I know there have been several ships of this name but the one I sailed on was Hamburg built with all the housing aft. She would probably only have been a few thousand tons. I was on a 10 month trip running from New York, Bermuda then over 3000 miles up the Amazon to Iquitos in Peru. I beiieve we were chartered to Booths Brazil at that time. That was an amazing year which would have been 1957. Anyone know what happened to her.
 

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Just looking at comments regarding the MV Montrose. I know there have been several ships of this name but the one I sailed on was Hamburg built with all the housing aft. She would probably only have been a few thousand tons. I was on a 10 month trip running from New York, Bermuda then over 3000 miles up the Amazon to Iquitos in Peru. I beiieve we were chartered to Booths Brazil at that time. That was an amazing year which would have been 1957. Anyone know what happened to her.
MONTROSE (2) (1955 - 1958)
O.N. 198019. 915g. 402n. 213' 2" x 36' 10" x 17' 8"
6-cyl. 4 S.C.S.A. (420 x 660mm) oil engine made by Kloeckner-Humboldt-Deutz, Koeln. 1,500 B.H.P.
15.10.1955: Launched by Schiffswerft A. Pahl, Hamburg (Yard No. 306), for Montship Lines Ltd., (Buries Markes Ltd., managers).
12.1955: Completed.
1958: Sold to Booth Steam Ship Company Ltd., London, and renamed VIGILANTE.
1964: Sold to Lamport & Holt Line Ltd., Liverpool.
1967: Sold to Cunningham Navigation, Bahamas.
1968: Renamed CARIBBEAN MARA.
28.2.1974: Whilst on a voyage from Mobile to Santa Domingo, was abandoned by her crew at a position 26.35 N., 86.42 W., when an outbreak of fire got out of control.
1976: Sold to ??????? and renamed MARA.
1978: Sold to ??????? and renamed FENIX.
1981: Sold to ??????? and renamed MORALLA IV.
2002: Deleted from Lloyd's Register.
 

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Hi Ron,
I was Mate on a sister ship built at La Seyne.Think these were the ones with side tanks in No 3..May be wrong ,it was some time ago. Ron Maddison was Master,We were not quite completed at hand over but John Mann chased us out and we sailed without stores or enough food.Hard man,hard times.!!!
Rgds John Lord
High John, read your old message about the ship you were on, did it per chance go to what was then Philippville in eastern Algeria ?? Stogeaway
 
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