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At a time when the Barrow yard is failing for whatever reason to turn out the Astute Class seemingly at a capable rate.
Why cannot the MoD look at the Gotland class of AIP submarines.
They are not nuclear powered, but managed to ‘sink’ the US carriers 8 / 8, without compromise at the latest RIMPAC exercise, and Can transit the Atlantic easily.
The Americans even ‘hired’ a Gotland to try and understand why they were so damn good!
Why does the RN/MoD have to prevaricate, when they moan about cost over runs, build quality, etc. When these seemingly superb machines are selling like hot cakes around the world?
As I understand, the price of a Gotland AIPsubmarine is the same as an F-35.
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The problem with all the new Royal Navy ships seems to stem from the design stages.... (from what I have read)

Could the answer be, to build the Swedish submarines here under licence, as they are already proven, the facilities are there at Barrow.

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I agree, stick the rotting A Class boats in a corner of the Devonshire Hall, and buy the advanced Gotland Class, which cost the same as one F-35 jet. Don’t know if the builders at Barrow can be trusted to build them, or the government to pay for them, but the RN needs boats. Currently, it seems the Perisher is being done on Dutch submarines.
 

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As the owner of a large quantity of BAE shares......I'm seriously considering visiting South Auckland and switching your lights out Nick.

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As the owner of a large quantity of BAE shares......I'm seriously considering visiting South Auckland and switching your lights out Nick.

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Charming! Don’t BAE have holdings in SAAB? They seem to have holdings in just about every other company!
 

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Well Nick and Frank that's the RN sorted out, what about this bloody F35? What's its max operating depth, number of Trident missiles carried and is it nuclear? F35 looks like the Pennant Number of a Frigate, Enard Bay for example. Are youse confused? I am.
 

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"Charming! Don’t BAE have holdings in SAAB?"

I don't know about Bae, Nick.

I don't...... Sadly.

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The battery reliance is always going to be a problem when up against it...... The build purpose of the two are chalk and cheese.
Doubtless excellent for the role it was designed for in shallow Baltic specialist roles..... Operation in more expanded cir***stances may prove problematic.
 

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Serang, is that flap on the top of the F35 a periscope? :)
 
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