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I hope you Merchant Navy History buffs can help, I am researching my dad's seagoing records during 1944 to 1946, as I live in Japan I cannot get to Kew to look at the archives at present and the records are not digitised, I do not want to order do***ents until I know what is in them.
In the Kew Records my dad has Discharge A numbers R327732-R327904, R327767, does this mean he was on three vessels and what will be in the "pouches".
As you all know Discharge Book's in the 70's and 80's (my time), UK........ Number and it was a "book", any information would be of help so I can understand the system at that time.
I have placed my dad on the Vessel, Samcebu in July 1945 and Fort Simpson 1945/46, but I think he may have had a vessel in 1944/45.
Thanks in advance.
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Before the "UK" discharge books, discharge book numbers began with an "R" going back to Noah's ark, I think. Not sure how your Dad got three discharge book numbers because your first number followed you around. I have two discharge books and they both have the same number. Maybe your Dad quit and re-registered a couple of times?
Good luck, someone will probably know.
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Hello Peter.
Your dads Dis A number was R327767. The numbers R 327732 to R327904 are mearly the series of Dis A numbers in which your dads seamans pouch is stored.
Seamans pouches are records relating to individual seamen filed together in a pouch. These do***ents may include application forms certificates, identity cards, (most with a photograph of the seaman, allbet it a mugshot) cessation do***ents and notifications of death.
You should be able to order the pouch to be sent to you for a minumal charge as it relates to an individual seaman.

What you really need is his FORM CRS10

His Form CRS 10 is if you like an office copy of his Discharge Book.
It should record all the vessels he sailed on together with dates and and places of Engagment and Discharge.
These records are stored alphabetically in blocks of 60 names. If your dad only has MN service untill 1946
it should be stored here Search results: | The National Archives
You cannot see the record online. If you get TNA to look for you, because ithe piece dos'nt relate to an individual seaman, they will deem it as research and charge you accordingly.
I research at the National Archive on a regular basis but due to restrictions re Covid 19 its chaotic at the present time and it could be further restrictions will be put in place making it impossible. If you can wait until the storm abates. just let me know and I will take a look for you.

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PS Did your dad see MN service after 1946?









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Hello Peter.
Your dads Dis A number was R327767. The numbers R 327732 to R327904 are mearly the series of Dis A numbers in which your dads seamans pouch is stored.
Seamans pouches are records relating to individual seamen filed together in a pouch. These do***ents may include application forms certificates, identity cards, (most with a photograph of the seaman, allbet it a mugshot) cessation do***ents and notifications of death.
You should be able to order the pouch to be sent to you for a minumal charge as it relates to an individual seaman.

What you really need is his FORM CRS10

His Form CRS 10 is if you like an office copy of his Discharge Book.
It should record all the vessels he sailed on together with dates and and places of Engagment and Discharge.
These records are stored alphabetically in blocks of 60 names. If your dad only has MN service untill 1946
it should be stored here Search results: | The National Archives
You cannot see the record online. If you get TNA to look for you, because ithe piece dos'nt relate to an individual seaman, they will deem it as research and charge you accordingly.
I research at the National Archive on a regular basis but due to restrictions re Covid 19 its chaotic at the present time and it could be further restrictions will be put in place making it impossible. If you can wait until the storm abates. just let me know and I will take a look for you.

regards
Roger
PS Did your dad see MN service after 1946?









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Hi Roger, thanks for the information it is most useful, I am not sure if he serve after 1946, this I need to find out, will let you know how I get on and come back to you if I need a bit of assistance.
Thanks again !!!!
 

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Hello Peter,
No worries. If your father did have MN service after 1946 you also need to to look at this file
Get hold of his seamans pouch first. It should give you an idea of when his MN service ended.
Be sure to quote his Dis A number in any communication with TNA.

Crew Agreements for 1945 for SAMCEBU Official Number 169890
and FORT SIMPSON O/N 168354 (1945) 168341; 168343; 168345; 168350; 168352; 168353; 168354; 168355 | The National Archives
(1946) 168354; 168355; 168357; 168358; 168359; 168360; 168361; 168362; 168364; 168365; 168366;... | The National Archives
Both ships were registered in London.

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Hello Peter,
No worries. If your father did have MN service after 1946 you also need to to look at this file
Get hold of his seamans pouch first. It should give you an idea of when his MN service ended.
Be sure to quote his Dis A number in any communication with TNA.

Crew Agreements for 1945 for SAMCEBU Official Number 169890
and FORT SIMPSON O/N 168354 (1945) 168341; 168343; 168345; 168350; 168352; 168353; 168354; 168355 | The National Archives
(1946) 168354; 168355; 168357; 168358; 168359; 168360; 168361; 168362; 168364; 168365; 168366;... | The National Archives
Both ships were registered in London.

regards
Roger
Thanks Roger, I will follow this up, I have my Dad's crossing the line Certificate from the Samcebu dated 16/07/1945, a Suez Canal ID Card and also a Buenos Aires ID Card for Fort Simpson from 1946, it will be nice to fill in the gaps, your advice is most appreciated !!! Peter
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I found these photos on the net the first 2 are Samcebu followed by Fort Simpson if they are of use to you !!
Thanks so much, I found Samcebu No 1 and Fort Simpson No1, but not the other two which are by far better, thanks again !!!! - Peter
 
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