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She is not a pleasant sight as you go past her these days.
 

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Totally agree, mentioned her in the ss.Manxman thread yesterday.

I can't see there being any hope for her...she's been left to rot since she was beached there over 20 years ago. They had originally got plans to turn her into a casino and hotel...but didn't have the money, let alone think about planning permission.

I can't see her having much of a future I'm afraid, it'd take a damn sight more loot than the £2.5 million that couldn't be raised for the Manxman.

Perhaps an ideal venture into shipping for our marvellous National Sailing Boat Museum at Falmouth....work for the dockyard, work for the town, a live project for people to get involved in...perhaps they could even put some of the money they're ripping people off for admission back into the community...!

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Is she still there? Apparently, her scrap value is used as credit insurance by her owners. How true that is though I couldn't tell you...
 

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Yep...she's still there...and no-one is allowed near by the owners.

I've made numerous requests for a visit aboard (purely for nautical and nostalgic reasons) and have heard nothing in reply.

It's actually becoming quite difficult to trace the owners...due to many bankruptcy cases etc...surprise...surprise...

Dare one say it, but personally I'd like to see the good old lady sold for scrap and have a semi-dignified end to life.

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Saving the Duke

I think it should be saved and restored to a fully working ship, if it is at all possible. I've been on the bbc website http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/northeast/sites/askalocal/pages/gen11.shtml and there is a lot of support in favour of saving it. I think a charity should be formed a bit like for the Manxman to save the Duke, £2.5m may seem like a lot to an individual but between many people and with grants, loans and raising money I'm sure it can be done.
 

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Interesting. I used to see her when I was on my way home on the train from far flung furrin' ports like Aberdeen and Lerwick!

She's gone to the dogs in reality. Which is a great pity as she used to sail from Holyhead so is a part of my own history, so to speak. As for £2.5mn. A Lottery Grant.....ah but she's not a good cause is she? To get a lottery grant you need a good cause and she isn't that - even those of us who know her real value would argue that case that she is but we'd be up against art projects, sports projects, women's groups and so on......

A pity - she is the last of her kind, like the 'Manxman'..........but as a standing exhibit to be restored, that's a good idea. I'm sure any of us would volunteer for the odd weekend working party for that.........wouldn't we?

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I think it would need more than the "odd weekend" even from most of the 11300 members on this site to even touch the old Duke now,Jonty even if they all chipped in a weekend each.sorry to be gloomy but I think it's wishfull dreaming that she will ever be saved now!
 

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Why is everyone so negative? Why not have a positive attitude or at least the glass is half full rather than the glass is half empty attitude. No wonder so many treasures get lost!
 

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according to a report on in the seabreezes magazine she will probably be broken up in situ, The council seems to think it is inevertable
 

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Well, if she's broken up we have lost another piece of our maritime heritage.

Like the Historic Warships Trust and the 'Manxman', for an island nation we quickly forget what made Great Britain Great........

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>They had originally got plans to turn her into a casino and hotel...but didn't >have the money, let alone think about planning permission.

Another problem I understand was the low head room under the railway bridge leading from the berth to the main road. Too low to allow access by fire services. There is an access track round the back - but is a far from direct route,


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Forgive me for not saying this but isnt the ship concreted in quite high up out of the water anyway? How much more of the hull is there under there?

Having visited the ship a few months back it appears to be mainly mud - not conrete that is visible. There is an old concrete barge resting against the stern which wedges her in place.

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I think it would need more than the "odd weekend" even from most of the 11300 members on this site to even touch the old Duke now,Jonty even if they all chipped in a weekend each.sorry to be gloomy but I think it's wishfull dreaming that she will ever be saved now!
I am currently involved with the Daniel Adamson Preservation Society which is working to restore Britain's last surviving steam-tug tender. (www.danieladamson.co.uk) to working order.

This is a small vessel which weighs in at under under 200 tons and which was sadly neglected whilst at the Boat Museum, EllesmerePort.

Whilst i look after the IT and web site support for the project I am aware of the thousands of man hours put into the project by those working on board since it began in April 2004.

Restoring a ship involves much more than raising a few pounds and getting like minded people together.

Large ships like the Duke could prove to be a bottomless pit for any volunteer group. They would certainly need external support and funding.

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You obviously feel strongly about this ship, Lukejhoward, so I don't think anyone will condemn you for acting the way you are. Don't think anyone is sick of hearing from you at all.
 

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Well said Coastie, after all this is Ships Nostalgia and this old girl must hold nostalgic memories for many of us. I know she does for me.
 
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