[stein]

Norwegian frigate KNM Helge Ingstad has collided with Greek tanker Sola ts, Norwegian news media reports. Everyone in the warship, which is still taking in water, has been removed from the ship. Everyone is 137 people I read. Can somebody tell me what you need 137 people for, on a boat seemingly the size of a large trawler? If fifty of them were on the bridge when they failed to observe the tanker getting dangerously close, the collision might be explainable though... (Pardon me joking, with everyone rescued I think one should be allowed.) Well, perhaps the first hundred were to produce a neat formation when raising and lowering the flag, the navies do need a lot of men for this I have observed... http://maritimebulletin.net/2018/11...ion-with-greek-aframax-tanker-crew-evacuated/

 

[Engine Serang]

Ship was built in Spain, need one say anymore.
Norwegian Navy ships built in Spain
Irish Navy ships built in England
RFA ships built in Korea

Blame must lie with EEC - EU - Brexit - UKIP - DUP - Trade Unions. (Delete as required)

 

[Les Gibson]

Nice one E.R.

 

[Les Gibson]

Should have read E.S. of course!

 

[China hand]

Back in the good old days you could blame the Russians for everything.

 

[Dartskipper]

Strange that nobody has blamed the Greeks yet. (Jester)

 

[Dartskipper]

Ship was built in Spain, need one say anymore.
Norwegian Navy ships built in Spain
Irish Navy ships built in England
RFA ships built in Korea

Blame must lie with EEC - EU - Brexit - UKIP - DUP - Trade Unions. (Delete as required)

You forgot Austerity and savage Tory cuts. (EEK)

 

[Engine Serang]

Perhaps they are similar to most Western Armed Forces and are having problems attracting young men and women to join-up. In such cases standards tend to fall which leads to diluted operational capability, the USN has had a torrid time with lack of proper Bridge Management.

 

[Binnacle]

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...re-collision-we-have-everything-under-control

 

[George.GM]

To solve the recruitment problem for the RN, RAF and Army.
1. Bring back conscription immediately.
2. Revive the Press Gang. (last used in 1815 or so but still on the Books)

 

[Varley]

The military do not like being used as a finishing school for young men (which would now, of course include young ladies, possibly extending the range of experiences on offer in-house).

One volunteer is worth ten pressed men.

 

[Stephen J. Card]

2. Revive the Press Gang. (last used in 1815 or so but still on the Books)

Better idea. Anyone interested to join the MN should be encourage to serve a stint in the RN and then follow as RNR. Likewise, anyone joining the RN should be required to spent periods in merchant vessels.

RN officers are trained and become Sub Lt. or Lt. How many of them go on to higher ranks? Not many. Most of them finish in their late 20 and the training is wasted. The RNR will have more and more senior officers in later years.



Yes? No?

Stephen

 

[Varley]

What benefit do you expect to the MN from the exchange of culture, colregs applying to both. Virtuosity with ordnance? Their raison d'etre is to sink their competitors, have you forgotten how we get treated when we do that, even when it is by accident?

 

[Ron Stringer]

Surely the future training regime for seagoing personnel in the UK is rather irrelevant.

What are the odds against the RN and the MN surviving another couple of decades? The RN now has few ships of any significance and cannot fully man those ships that remain serviceable, while the MN is just a FOC and does not require UK nationals to meet its operational needs.

What prospects are there for any new entrant leaving school here?

 

[Stephen J. Card]

Surely the future training regime for seagoing personnel in the UK is rather irrelevant.

What are the odds against the RN and the MN surviving another couple of decades? The RN now has few ships of any significance and cannot fully man those ships that remain serviceable, while the MN is just a FOC and does not require UK nationals to meet its operational needs.

What prospects are there for any new entrant leaving school here?

There will still be seagoing jobs.... no matter what flag. Even ships that will be 'unmanned' there will still be requirement for qualified staff to bring these ship into port and do all 'work'.