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Oil filled Stern Tubes

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I was working at a shipyard in Tampa when they were building 5 tankers. They were ER aft jobs, so only ashort length of shafting in the ER. On the LOP system they had the ability to purify the stern tube. You had oil filled seals with a header tank on the inboard and outboard ends, plus the oil around the shaft to lubricate it with a header tank also.

We get back from trials so next day thought I would line up a LOP on this system. I ended up pulling water into the stern tube so something was obviously wrong with the system.

Never came across anything like this before. As long as your seals were ok and you had that head of oil above the water line than you shouldn't have any leaks inboard only outboard.
Though it was US designed and built and had some really backward designs.
Anybody come across this set up before?
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USNS_Paul_Buck this was 1st of 5.
Ocean Product Tankers Inc.
Due to a senior management faux pas the 2nd hull was ready first. They all started with Ocean ........ names which would be easier on the tongue , but reverted to the US tradition of naming them after seamen who had won medals which ended up with long Italian names complete with the inevitable middle i initial included such as Lawrence S Giannella and similar mouthfulls over VHF.
Even the Chinese names were better like Wan Long Dong and the like.
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I AM perplexed, oil has a lower sg than water, [lighter] hence the head of oil totally required has to compensate for the total draught of the stern tube at any time in a ships life, and still have a ;head pressure to avoid failure of the stern gland under various CP Or propeller rotations under power.
Electronic sensors in the oil discharge, the SG of the fuel oil is greater than 1.0. Never met Eckworth. I was with P&O Nedlloyd, Maersk and Reederei Blue Star GmbH, all the same company. Blue Star were bought by P&O Nedlloyd and then P&O Nedlloyd were bought by Maersk. RBS was a Hamburg based company started by PONL to get ships through the German Marine Finance System, very complicated.
Hello are you oiling the prop shaft stern bearings with HFO??? not Lub oil?? I assume the stern tube is lined with white metal, and that the propshaft is a quality steel?? PS where did you study for your BOT/Ships engineers ticket exams, in a licorais allsorts shop??? english all shot???
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As posts tend to move on to related topics, we don't always keep on point so you have to read previous posts to keep up. I was at Hull for 2nds and Chiefs Motor and S.Shields for part A Extras 10 years later after working in the States.
The shaft and stern tube bearing was as you assume with one line shaft bearing after the thrust block. The HFO was mentioned by Brian whilst describing the new purifiers without gravity discs.
what a footprint. mine to a tee!. Do yoy remember Mr Taylor, and the then Head of department at HULL-His name escapes me. 66, 68/9 2nds 1St and endorsement 76 Extras.
You have been politely suggested as in the diplomatic society, My career was all at sea and offshore UK. I am still mixed up??? Regards
Just correcting my record Extras Taken at Sheilds 76 Thanks for the info. Ted was the head of the Marine Department HULL when i was taking my tickets 2nd, 1st and motor endorsement. Stayed at the mn Hotel in /opposite the railway station on all occasions. Enjoyed the experience.
My apprenticeship college and shipyard time was Middlesbrough and Palmers Hebburn and Shields Tech. Alternative M.E. apprenticeship indentures. Regards
dear oh dear, i am a liverpudlian from a seagoing family, raised schooldays leeds, so I could not as a lancky play for yorkshire cricket, again so hull was nearest to my leeds base. Why offshore and shields for the extras. I was sponsered by AUNTIE BOT? and worked in the shipping department of DOT/MSA, newcastle and London then HSE Offshore based in LONDON, then Norwich But travelled the UK OFFSHORE Industry, as a marine surveyor.
NICKName i spout confusion, hence my fellow engineers called me captain confusion. Are you confused??? I trust not.
Got you. Did you ever have to mark exam papers or conduct orals at any point?
Old Barr was BOT in Hull, not sure if he was related to my old Maths teacher at school, same name and build, never thought ask at the time, you are all keyed up.

My writing was so bad on a couple of papers for Chiefs he failed me and passed the message to Dave Taylor to suggest I used a fountain pen which would slow my writing down and make it legible. If I had been sitting medical exams I may have been ok as Drs writing was known to be attrocious and they probly went to the same schools as the dispensing chemist so they all wrote the same.
I did apply for a job with BOT to do with the fishing industry but they wanted Extras. Lloyds was the same, but they had to relax because Graduates of Marine or Mechanical hadn't the experience and there was a bit of a wastage rate. Don't think they liked the idea of crawling about in a crankcase or boiler, yet ex Merch it didn't worry them.
Did you ever have to use any of the fancy Maths from Extras.
Seemed to remember something called Matrices, I always thought that was some how connected with the master, mistress and mattress.
Then there was sampling for QA and a bunch of funny formulas, never needed that when sampling different beers. Didn't see where that came into ships and one offs. The Maths chap at Shields had been a production engineer, which I can see the relevance. Dry old stick he was. The rest of the lecturers were ex Merch.
Old Calvert, took us for Hydrodynamics & Fluids, would say to us if he was looking at our work, ' Let the dog see the rabbit' or 'If you don't know what your looking for, you will never find it' . He was a bit of a north countryman, probably had a ferret or two at home.
It was all interesting stuff that came in handy when boiler surveying. But I reached retirement without entering the 'work house' (where the snow was raining fast). If you don't try you will never know.
Yes dear sir, I was pure gypsie in te marine Industry, Tankers-Fleet safety Officer-Inert gas plants= Fish dock hull and fleetwood Insurance surveyor, assistant fleet superintendent,Glasgow based. BOT Auntie all sections- EXAMS HQ -engineers= Port eng and ship surveyor-offshore=transfered to HSE UK Offshore/retired.
the leit drydock incident??? I am unsure these days who or whom would carry out the investigations. I suspect HSE Inspectorate? But i cannot confirm, The fault to me lies in the lack of appriciation of the vessels design/hull form, and displacement as lightship on the drydock blocks_ Leith drydock company, would I have thought for insurance purposes, would have ensured a correct docking procedure, so my inclination is a lack of consultation=owners/drydock company= so HSE for or under the Health and Safety at Work acts 1974 and amendments???
the leit drydock incident??? I am unsure these days who or whom would carry out the investigations. I suspect HSE Inspectorate? But i cannot confirm, The fault to me lies in the lack of appriciation of the vessels design/hull form, and displacement as lightship on the drydock blocks_ Leith drydock company, would I have thought for insurance purposes, would have ensured a correct docking procedure, so my inclination is a lack of consultation=owners/drydock company= so HSE for or under the Health and Safety at Work acts 1974 and amendments???
apart from the legal, ownership and technical questions, I ask a more basic question=''IF IT LOOKS WRONG, IS IT WRONG????
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