I sailed on the Norman Prince about 1962 from Manchester to the Med and back mainly carrying fruit, Also on the Lancastrian Prince in 1967 from London to the East coast of South America with a cargo of ammunition .
Hi, As stated in the thread about the band, I sailed as R/O on the Norman Prince July/62 to Sept/62.Hi RobinJ & Capt.Bob:
I joined Furness Withy's "Newfoundland" Jan.1956 and finished my time on the Queen and Monarch. I did three trips as 3rd Mate on the "Norman Prince" - very nice - she was a great little ship. Also spent quite a bit of time on the "Beechmore" before she became the "English Prince"
My first ship in 1959 was the Scottish Prince which I joined outside the lock gates at Middlesborough. I was asked if I was going ashore in the evening and as i was not was told it was my night on board, i did not have a clue what that meant. Anyway in the early ohurs of the morning the vessel berthed and about 6am i was awoken bt the C/E who said there was a problem on board. I put on my sparkling white boiler suit and went on deck to join the other engineers and donkeymen to hand carry dunnage down into the engine room and put same in the oil fired boiler. The D/M on duty had changed over the fuel tank and unfortunately the quick closing valve was not latched back, the D/M must have left the engine room and over time the boiler ran out of fuel and steam for the steam DC generator. The hand operated fuel pump was inoperable so we had to resort to putting wood into the furnace to raise sufficient steam to get systems running. Talk about a baptism. Next vessel was the English Prince, which was laid up in the River Blackwater, this was built in 1943 for "one" trip and was still going 16 years later, 3 legged Doxford. Accomodation was terrible, overrun with cockroaches, no mechanical ventilation. Loaded at several ports for discharge at Colombo where we stayed for over 4 months. The port motor lifeboat, wooden hull, was wrecked due to several crew members taking it out of the harbor for a trip to a beach. The boat ran ashore on a very rocky beach and the wooden hull was broken off. Subsequently the boat was retrieved and repaired. Joined the Mystic and did two voyages to NZ, great times down there. Joined the Tudor Prince new from Doxfords, fitted with the "P" type engine, what a disaster, suffered major breakdown going round the Horn of Africa, one side bottom end broken into two pieces and further nine found with major cracks. did temporary repairs and limped back into Aden where a full set of new, hugely modified, side rod bearings were installed. Joe Wandless was C/E, Dick Stuart was 3/E, cant remenber the 2/E full name but he was Allan ???? (also ex Mystic). Got my 2/E licence and sailed on the Cyprian Prince with Charlie Storrier as C/E. Left Prince Line in 1963 and joined Elder DempsterI sailed on the Norman Prince about 1962 from Manchester to the Med and back mainly carrying fruit, Also on the Lancastrian Prince in 1967 from London to the East coast of South America with a cargo of ammunition .
You are correct it was a "J" type, this was the forerunner to the "P" type and only a few were built, in fact the Tudor Prince was the first British vessel with this engine. The "J" & "P" refer to the name, Percy Jackson, the Design Director at Doxfords who was the brains behind the new development. The Stuart prince was fitted with the "P" type. Als remember the Sherry Lee was one of the engine cadets and the other was nicknamed "Why" as every time you gave him a job he always said "Why". As you say it was a terrible run, we might have had better ports if the breakdown had not occurred.Hi Ian: We were shipmates, I was Nav Cadet on the "Tudor Prince" on her maiden voyage having transferred from the "Cyprian Prince". What a workhorse she was and the punishment run, Abadan to Cochin, Madras and Budge Budge didn't help.
I think the old man was Captain Kent but not sure. Bob? Ditchburne was C/O and Mike Smith was 2/O. Mike was tragically lost at sea in 1981 when, as a Pilot he was boarding a tanker in the Strait of Canso in a storm.
The officers salon steward was Ivan the tranny, used to dress to the nines to go ashore to the Seaman's Club in the Abadan refinery while we were more interested in the Brit and American refinery employees daughters. I think his quests were more successful than ours,
I thought we had the new "J" type Doxford installed but what would I know as a Deck Whalla!
I look at the bright side of things, if that fine example of British engineering hadn't gone kaput, we would have ended up with two years on that lousy run.
Hi Andrey, Many thanks for the photograph you have posted although it is an earlier ship than the one I sailed. If I remember correctly if you go to the Red Duster website there is a thread on Prince line. Regards RobinjDear RobinJ,
I have a photo of ms Lancastrian Prince. Will try to represent it in a Gallery.
I bough this photo several days ago in one of local shops and have no time to renovate it yet. Could I ask You to advise i-net resourse where I can read
more about Prince Line. Many thanks.
Best regards from Russia,
Hi Bob: Not sure if any of us knew whether we were Prince Line or Furness. My Indentures read Furness Withy & Co but the only Furness ship I sailed in was the Sycamore, all others were Prince Line and the last was the Western Prince which was more aligned to Manchester Liners. I guess we were meant to be one big happy family but I have a feeling the lads on the Pacific --- class seemed to think they were the true blue Furness men, hopefully not in an incestuous way!!I'm glad to see some Old Prince Line hands have come out of the woodwork.What about the Furness men, time to hear from them.
By the way, we have the "Tall Ships" here in Belfast until Sunday 16th.
Not many Red Ensigns among them.The whole thing seems to have been taken over by the "Yachties"
Remember this incident well. It was said it was a limpet mine attached to the hull. I think I may have been the last crew man on the Black Prince, had to connect shore power to switch gear. Many ships laid up in River Falmouth at that time.I just found your connection with the Lancastrian Prince,which was my last Deep Sea vessel.
I had been with Furness since starting as an aprentice in 1959 and after getting married in 1968 joined the Lancastrian Prince in Sept of that year as 2/0.
She was trading to the Spanish Main and US Gulf Ports,and the trip before I joined had been diverted into Miami by US Coastguard with a suspected bomb attached to her bilge keel.It was discovered that there had indeed been something but it had fallen off on passage.The Coastguard had ben unable to contact the ship when they first got the information as "Sparkie" was off watch and he got the message on cranking up the next morning.
While in UK we had an R/T fitted in the wheelhouse so that the watch keeping officers could listen out during the R/O off watch periods.We also had divers doing a search of the hull before leaving the last US Gulf Port.Anti Castro people were suspected and British Ships were targeted as GB was trading with Cuba.
In my time Capt.Marshall,Ken Swinbourne c/o Robin Gray 2/0 sorry can't remember the others.
.....Parrish was c/o on the Sycamore on my first trip to sea. Now, finding out he was married to a Vicars daughter explains why he was pi--ed off when two of his first trip cadets got lucky in Famagusta.I too was a Prince line apprentice, buttons, badge and all, the "Black Price" was my first ship, Capt Kemp, who was usually well oiled, a gordie I believe, and c/o Parrish who was actually married to a vicars daughter, the rest is all rather hazey now, loved Malta but hated Haifa.