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since there's a thread on the Queen Mary, I will not start a new one, but ask my question here instead. I was recently reading a article on another really small forum and it stated the RMS Queen Mary was in horrible condition stating her keel was bad, and her plates in some spots actually had holes through and through. Now I understand years of sitting, and the fact that longbeach's "preparation of the ship" don't help the subject, but is it really that bad. I understand she is fragile after the modifications but is the grand old lady really that bad, I can't believe it. To say 40yrs will rot a hole in a hull plate of a true liner is a big claim, and I don't think it can be true, at least not as bad as they accuse. I could have sworn she was undergoing a interior restoration at this point in time theres a video on the web of it.
 

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One trip on the QE(1) we found a hole about 25mm diameter in the ships side, luckily it was in a small water tight cofferdam in the port genny room. Quick pump out, 6" of the broom handle cut off, bit of a point put on end and knocked in . kept us going till the annual dry dock.
 

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Rivets corrode and shear.

Dunno about such grand old ladies, but each year when we docked the Coral Princess (built 1963) we had a competition to find the missing rivets.
 

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how exactly do rivets come off, I would guess it would have something to do with the movement of the ship? You guys are very much the experts, I'm just wondering? Would the same thing happen to the Queen whilst she is in long beach?
 

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how exactly do rivets come off, I would guess it would have something to do with the movement of the ship? You guys are very much the experts, I'm just wondering? Would the same thing happen to the Queen whilst she is in long beach?
Rivets come off now and then; the usual cause is, "cold finishing", where a rivet has had to travel too far from the warmer to the holder up, cooling all the time, the rivet goes in the hole and is NOT red enough, i.e. below the austenitic point, the result is that the finished rivet is more brittle than the others in the run, (row or rows of rivets put in at the same time, by the same gang). It's unusual to find more than two rivets missing next to each other if there has not been any mechanical damage such as a collision or a grounding.

With respect to the QM, rivets will rust if exposed to salt water and or oxygen.
 

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I quite doubt that she's got any significant hole in her hull, beyond that attrocity built around the port prop. Last I saw her, I got a pretty thorough solo tour with the owner of the lease. Aside from the ill-conceived gutting, I was actually impressed by the overall condition of the steel in the hull. Everything had been freshly painted shortly before I was there. From recent photos, it looks like to me she's due another good coat. Lease owner described that process to me. Seems it involves flooding tanks to induce about a 6-degree list (which is possible as she is still afloat), to paint a bit below the waterline. He said visitors and staff find that disconcerting. I'd love to see that. I've seen similar reports elsewhere but have seen no basis for them on personal inspection. (In my fondest dreams, I'd love to sort out a fun job on her for nominal salary primarily for good on-board accommodations. Even in her present condition, she'd still be my favorite address.)
 

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Great shots. I stayed on board roughly the same time. One thing I never got used to on either the Mary or Elizabeth were those weird bathtubs with no flat spot on the bottom--damn hard to stand up and take a shower. When I crossed on the Lizzie I had to try the salt water. It had a terrible smell. I'd love to see the Mary again with the renovations Delaware North is supposedly doing.
 

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If people think Queen Mary is in bad condition, please judge from my slideshow when I spent two nights on her two years ago.

http://normanbax.myphotoalbum.com/view_album.php?set_albumName=album19

Press slideshow, and you can press full screen on the side of pictures.

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Hi Norman,
Nice show. The QM was always my favourite ship,although now all theses years later she dies look a little old fashioned accommodation wise. I was with Cunard fifteen years mainly on their smaller ships. When Sir Basil Smallpeice annouced their sale I said to my wife Ann we must do a trip on the QM before she finishes and we did,a round Southampton to NY trip in cabin class at staff prices. We had a great trip and very fond memories of a great voyage made more memorable by special treatment by US Immigration and Customs in NY and NYPD,all who I normally dealt with in my job.
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qe2 but to the right Ellerman City Line ship Yes Yellow funnel with black boot topping?
Could be Ellerman, but also White Star. Didn't they use yellow as well? In a model museum, if it's White Star, I would think it would be the Olympic, not Titanic.

Although there were a few Titanic models made, and then quickly renamed Olympic after the disaster.
 
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