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hope i spelled the name right. Heard a rumor she is now a museum piece! anyone know anything about her or have a picture I would appreciate it.
 

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Ahoy Billy,

I think your pronouncing isn't correct, because I don't recognize this name, there were a few[4] Zwarte Zee's [tugs]but non is left.Try to find out what name it should be and what kind of vessel,please.

Note: Jan are you not missing some? ELBE & FURIE & HARDI
 

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Yes Ruud. I made an example with one such famous tug, the "Hudson", also there is the "Holland", I think she is berthed in Den Helder and no doubt there are few more.
Beautiful ships with a large funnel and quite recognisable.
Good to see that some of those ships have been preserved.
 

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AShoy Ruud and Jan. The one I mean is the "zwarte Zee"(4) Many thanks for the websites Jan.nice picture of her on nedships. has she also been scrapped? she was a very good tug, often in the right place at the right time as i remember. Great design too! Hope she was preserved. met an ex crew member a few years ago who had made a radio controled modle of her for the exhibition at windsor race course.
thank you both for your help.
 

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Billyboy.
She was not preserved, refer to my earlier message. Scrapped in Kaohsiung in 1984.

A lot of models were built following this design and you find some in SN.
Stay in the same thread of tugboats, go to page 2 and here you find another posting with more links of this vessel.

Also plenty of websites about with same or similar names.
Most tugboats from Smit were named after an ocean or a sea at the time.

Zee means sea or ocean.
Zwarte Zee =- Black Sea
Rode Zee = Red Sea
Witte Zee = white sea
Noord Zee = North Sea
You will find all these tugboats back on the old sites of Smit International
 

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Ruud! you do it again. what nice pictures on that site. so sad and sorry she was scrapped my friend. to me she was awesome as tugs go. take care my friend. thank you again for sall you do on this site. you get my gold star award for everything you have done. God bless you.
 

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Zwarte Zee

Yes, she was a looker. I've always thought her to be the ultimate evolution of Smit's sleek designs that started (I guess)with the Nordzee of 1949 (compare her with the Humber of a year earlier) and then really got going with tugs from the late 50's like the Barents Zee, Clyde and Elbe. Zwarte Zee and Witte Zee (and their smaller sisters) just looked so good. What happened then - they took away all the curves with Noordzee and Poolzee - YUK! :mad:

Anyone know the current situation regarding the Elbe, after her second sinking? She was going to be preserved with Hudson.

Andy G
 

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Elbe

Thanks Ruud, great to know that she is being preserved. The last photo I had seen was when she had sunk the second time.

Andy G (*))
 

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Ahoy Andy,

Yeah, there been a lot of rumours[sabotage,assurances] last year about these sinkings, but gladly those volunteers keep the good work up, and they've raised, already a lot of money,all by donations, I dont have the exact figures, but it's far over 50.000 €; and as you said, these lovely "oldies" should be preserved.
 

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I thought at the time and still do the nicest tugs I ever seen where the Schelde (Afon Goch) and Tasman Zee (Afon Wen) back in 1976-7 while based at Holyhead with Holyhead Towing, when I was only 10-11. I have a model of the Zwarte Zee what a wonderful shape.
 

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The 'Zwarte Zee' was always my favourite tug for looks. Jan Hendrik mentioned the 'Holland' she was also a fine looking vessel. Didn't she become a Greenpeace ship? or am I getting mixed up with another tug.
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Ray and Mr. TomCat,

'Zwarte Zee' was a real beuty, a classic and very definitely must be there amongst the top ten lookers when it comes to tugs.

I would put both the HTC ones in there as well, especially the 'Afon Goch' which was a classic.

The 'Holland' I think you are referring to Ray is a museum ship which is still sailing and in absolutely beautiful condition. here in the UK what have we got when we once had a deep sea tug fleet ourselves? Shame on us!

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Zwarte Zee (4) (1962) & Witte Zee (2) (1966)

hello,

i agree, ZWARTE ZEE (4) (1962) & WITTE ZEE (2) (1966) were the best looking dutsch tugs (...)

ZWARTE ZEE (4) (1962)

(sisterships: ZWARTE ZEE, WITTE ZEE)
Registered: LR66-67:542312 /IMO 5423128 /(NLD)ON 12810
1539 GRT, 155 NRT, L77,50m(68,71), B12,86m(12,35), D6,147m(6,91) (254'3"(225'5")x42'2"(40'6")x20'2"(22'8")) - fifi, salv.
1 scr, 2x diesel 4tew 12cyl Smit-MAN, 7000bhp-5145kW total, sp 17kn, bp 70t

ZWARTE ZEE
1962 -12/10: Launched by "J. & K. Smit's Scheepswerven" at Kinderdijk (YN 884)
1963 -18/04: delivered to "LSIS - L. Smit & Co's Internationale Sleepdienst" at Rotterdam
(NLD flag, regd Rotterdam, ON 12810, c/s PIZQ)
(Smit Internationale Sleepbootmaatschappij 'Zwarte Zee' BV", stationed at Fayal (Azores)
1983 -15/12: arrived at Singapore and laid up
1984 -01/05: towed away by tug 'Smit London' to Taiwan (together with tanker 'Petrola 26')
1984 -16/05: for breaking up delivered to "Li Chong Steel & Iron Works Co Ltd" at Kaohsiung (Taiwan)

http://www.tugtalk.co.uk/images/2003/12/31314.jpg
http://www.tugtalk.co.uk/images/2005/01/62815.jpg
http://members.ams.chello.nl/rverburg/pagina1_zwartezee4.html
http://www.shipspotting.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=241870
http://www.shipspotting.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=338864

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WITTE ZEE (2) (1966)

Registered: IMO 6613287 /(NLD)ON 13998
1539 GRT, 146 NRT, L77,50m(68,71), B12,88m, D6,135m(6,91) - salv.
1 scr, 2x diesel 4tew 12cyl MAN, 7000bhp-5145kW-9000ihp total, sp 17kn, bp 70t

1966 -03/05: Launched by "J. & K. Smit's Scheepswerven" at Kinderdijk (YN 911)
1966 -29/09: delivered to "L. Smit & Co's Internationale Sleepdienst Maatschappij NV" at Rotterdam
("Smit Internationale Sleepbootmaatschappij 'Witte Zee' BV")
(NLD flag, ON 13998, call sign PIRD)
19xx: restyled to "Smit Internationale Zeesleep & Bergingsbedrijf NV" at Rotterdam
1983 -xx/10: laid up at Bahrain, sold to "Euroatlantic Shipping Corp." at Monrovia
1984 -08/04: towed away by tug 'DRADO'
1984 -18/04: for breaking up to "Euroatlantic Shipping Corp" at Monrovia (LBY), beached on Gadani Beach near Karachi (PAK)

http://www.tugtalk.co.uk/images/2004/01/34394.jpg
http://www.tugtalk.co.uk/images/2003/05/18872.jpg
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/9496/wittezee0nh.jpg
http://www.maritimephoto.com/collection/vessel/12143/photo/0
http://www.maritimephoto.com/collection/vessel/12143/photo/1
http://www.shipspotting.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=84531
http://www.shipspotting.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=84528
http://www.shipspotting.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=84536
http://www.shipspotting.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=84535
http://www.shipspotting.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=84534
http://www.shipspotting.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=84533
http://www.shipspotting.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=84532
http://www.shipspotting.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=21620

regards from Hamburg
/ Jan
 

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I have to admit Tomcat...they certainly had some nice vessels on their books!
 
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