[oilkinger]

Following the news here in Oz on the big win for the SNP in the UK election. In response to that victory the SNP want another referendum re independence. But it seems they need the approval of the central UK gov't for that to happen. There's obviously legalistic hurdles involved but why can't you just leave a club when you want to ?
If an ****nal supporter was locked up inside Anfield, and not allowed out, Liverpool would be charged with deprivation of liberty.
Yeah - probably a bit simplistic, but if Scotland just tells Westminster to take a hike and declare themselves independent what is the UK gov't going to do about it ? Boycott whiskey ?

 

[expats]

Following the news here in Oz on the big win for the SNP in the UK election. In response to that victory the SNP want another referendum re independence. But it seems they need the approval of the central UK gov't for that to happen. There's obviously legalistic hurdles involved but why can't you just leave a club when you want to ?
If an ****nal supporter was locked up inside Anfield, and not allowed out, Liverpool would be charged with deprivation of liberty.
Yeah - probably a bit simplistic, but if Scotland just tells Westminster to take a hike and declare themselves independent what is the UK gov't going to do about it ? Boycott whiskey ?

That's not how things work...Those who argued that the UK should've told the EU to 'stick it' and that the UK should've 'just left' are those who demand, most loudly, that the Union should stay.

It used to be called hypocrisy now it's called democracy.

 

[oilkinger]

Expats - I wasn't seeking the why's and wherefore's of the election result. I'm asking what would be the ramifications if Scotland just went ahead and declared independence without the approval of Westminster.
What action could the UK gov't take short of invasion. Take Scotland to court ? Which one ? Have the Queen refuse to holiday at Balmoral ? Poison all the grouse ?

 

[RHP]

*** Sh!t stirrer alert.... ***

 

[Derek Roger]

Declare UDI as did Rhodesia in 1965 ; simple and easy .

 

[Basil]

Following the news here in Oz on the big win for the SNP in the UK election. In response to that victory the SNP want another referendum re independence. But it seems they need the approval of the central UK gov't for that to happen. There's obviously legalistic hurdles involved but why can't you just leave a club when you want to ?
If an ****nal supporter was locked up inside Anfield, and not allowed out, Liverpool would be charged with deprivation of liberty.
Yeah - probably a bit simplistic, but if Scotland just tells Westminster to take a hike and declare themselves independent what is the UK gov't going to do about it ? Boycott whiskey ?

1st. AND MOST IMPORTANT - In 2014, Scotland had a secession vote. The result was to remain in the UK.

2nd. A binding secession vote in Scotland requires approval from the UK Government. Them's our rules.

3rd. After we have left the EU, I cannot imagine Scottish voters wishing to secede. Think: 'Will the EU want Scotland?' 'If so will they require Scotland to accept the Euro, thereby removing full fiscal control from Holyrood?'

For more:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposed_second_Scottish_independence_referendum

 

[oilkinger]

Yes Basil - I understand what you're saying but to your point 1 ;
People change their minds all the time. Just look at the marriage divorce rate.
And 2 ;
Of course there are rules. But my question is ; what would happen if Scotland just ignored the rules and declared independence ? What would be the retribution be ?
I put forward some laconic thoughts on this as I don't know the answer but, in all seriousness, what would happen ?

 

[Basil]

Yes Basil - I understand what you're saying but to your point 1 ;
People change their minds all the time. Just look at the marriage divorce rate.
And 2 ;
Of course there are rules. But my question is ; what would happen if Scotland just ignored the rules and declared independence ? What would be the retribution be ?
I put forward some laconic thoughts on this as I don't know the answer but, in all seriousness, what would happen ?

Re 2: Dunno. Arrest the leaders and arraign on a charge of sedition?
Clearly over half of Scots would approve.

Although I fly the Saltire, I happen to live in England. Employment.
My hometown once had a population of 67,000 and that is now 48,000. I guess a lot of other Greenockians saw the writing on the Japanese/Korean/Chinese wall.

Make no mistake; we have to adapt to survive. As someone once said: "You can't buck the markets."

The first time I visited Moscow, I expected to see Communism in action. I saw nothing of the kind. I saw money changers offering far better rates for hard currency than the 'official' rate. I saw prostitutes being run by violent, seriously armed, criminals.

Realism rules.

 

[seaman38]

Declare UDI as did Rhodesia in 1965 ; simple and easy .

Didn't turn out too well in the end though, as I recall, led to the loss of all their dreams and many lives

 

[Davie M]

Re 2: Dunno. Arrest the leaders and arraign on a charge of sedition?
Clearly over half of Scots would approve.

Although I fly the Saltire, I happen to live in England. Employment.
My hometown once had a population of 67,000 and that is now 48,000. I guess a lot of other Greenockians saw the writing on the Japanese/Korean/Chinese wall.

Make no mistake; we have to adapt to survive. As someone once said: "You can't buck the markets."

The first time I visited Moscow, I expected to see Communism in action. I saw nothing of the kind. I saw money changers offering far better rates for hard currency than the 'official' rate. I saw prostitutes being run by violent, seriously armed, criminals.

Realism rules.

I have a similar story about the Saltire and living in England.
It does pose an interesting question what if she did try and take Scotland out without an agreement.
Most of my friends say that had the referendum on Indy been U.K. wide then Scotland would have got its wish then. None of them are extreme in their outlook just fed up as I am at the constant “we want“
It’s sad to say but most say just go.
I was brought up in Scotland but earned my crust in England(with a lot of banter(not always agreeable) so would hate to see the breakup
she definitely wants.
Davie

 

[Varley]

My Skye born acquaintance suggests there is a large dark gentleman in this bunker too. Like Brexit further to south.

Many will have voted remain simply because they do not want a socialist government (which it would be with little chance of there being any effective opposition). Whilst presently overshadowed (I think) by this latest Brexit poll continued dissatisfaction with a conservative Westminster regime, running on normal bunker C and not Brexit fuel, would favour a real shift towards leave.

Will I be allowed dual citizenship I wonder?

 

[sparkie2182]

" I saw prostitutes being run by violent, seriously armed, criminals."

I just opted for a visit to Red Square and a look around the Space Museum.

 

[Varley]

Ugly or just out of your price range?

 

[Mad Landsman]

Declare UDI as did Rhodesia in 1965 ; simple and easy .

Their problem, ultimately, was that those making the declaration were a minority of the population.
In such an option it would be hoped that a referendum would resolve that particular issue - if one were authorised, and so it goes on.

As an aside, the 2 I/C in Rhodesia at that time used the same crest as my avatar ( same name but not related... )

 

[David Williams]

Rhodesia

Declare UDI as did Rhodesia in 1965 ; simple and easy .[/QUOTE

And look how Rhodesia as turned out.
Dave Williams

 

[Ken Wood]

let’s get things straight. under the Act of Union either country has the right to decide if it wants to remain. “Permission” by the UK government, in effect, is just good manners.

During the 2007 independence campaign the Unionists told us that the only way to remain in the EU was to remain as part of the UK. Look where that got us. To be honest, we are treated with far more respect by Brussels than by London. The majority of Scots see BJ as a laughing stock and a liar, whose party was totally outvoted in the General Election. Is independence the answer? perhaps not, but it is becoming the only option.

 

[Basil]

let’s get things straight. under the Act of Union either country has the right to decide if it wants to remain. “Permission” by the UK government, in effect, is just good manners.

During the 2007 independence campaign the Unionists told us that the only way to remain in the EU was to remain as part of the UK. Look where that got us. To be honest, we are treated with far more respect by Brussels than by London. The majority of Scots see BJ as a laughing stock and a liar, whose party was totally outvoted in the General Election. Is independence the answer? perhaps not, but it is becoming the only option.

Kinda lost me there.
Or do you mean by a nation with the same population as Yorkshire?

 

[Basil]

Ugly or just out of your price range?

Actually, the tarts in the Cosmos Hotel were some of the best looking I've seen anywhere.
Some colleagues noticed two guys in leather coats come into the bar there and referred to one as Herr Flick. The guns were exposed and they were advised to leave.

 

[frangio]

Kinda lost me there.
Or do you mean by a nation with the same population as Yorkshire?

Basil there is one very simple difference. Yorkshire is a County, Scotland is a Country. It is not just a "region" of the UK, or as some seem to think a region of England.

Malta, Luxembourg, Cyprus, Estonia, Latvia, Slovenia, Lithuania, Croatia, & Ireland are all independent countries and EU members and all have a smaller population than Scotland. And there are many more that are not within the EU.

78 of the UN’s current 193 member states have a smaller population than Scotland.

So it seems that when it comes to being an independent country size really doesn't matter!

 

[Basil]

Basil there is one very simple difference. Yorkshire is a County, Scotland is a Country. It is not just a "region" of the UK, or as some seem to think a region of England.

Malta, Luxembourg, Cyprus, Estonia, Latvia, Slovenia, Lithuania, Croatia, & Ireland are all independent countries and EU members and all have a smaller population than Scotland. And there are many more that are not within the EU.

78 of the UN’s current 193 member states have a smaller population than Scotland.

So it seems that when it comes to being an independent country size really doesn't matter!

If you re-read you will see that I referred to 'nation'.
I am well aware of the status of my homeland.

Sorry you've wasted all that online research.