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I Found out 2 of the tugs with help from people:

Riverman, do you have any info on these?:

- John Hawkins, built 1946
- Margret Locket Charington Gardner & Locket
- Sun 16 or 17?

Thanks in advance (Thumb)
 

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SUN XVII went to Italian company Rimorchiatori Napoletani about 1966/67 under the name RANIA G. Remember seeing her as such outward bound on the Thames at Rainham whilst working there, didn't carry a camera in those days so missed an opportunity to record it. She looked very smart with a black funnel with white interlocking RN.
Built 1946
233 grt

MARGARET LOCKET became the P B EVERARD in 1970.
Built 1951
74 grt
 

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Karbine....first picture looks like, JP Knights KUNDAH in Gaselee's funnel colours, KHURDAH, John Hawkins.

Also included info on Margaret Locket.

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69 GRT, (66'5"x17'6"x8'3")
1 scr, diesel 7cyl British-Polar-Atlas, 520bhp-418kW

KUNDAH
1939: Built by "Richards (Shipbuilders) Ltd" at Lowestoft
1939: delivered to "J.P. Knight Ltd" at London
1982: broken up in Cromarty Firth

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Registered: (GBR)ON 160702
50 GRT, 0 NRT, (60'0"x16'0"x6'8")
1 scr, diesel 6cyl Atlas-Diesel, Stockholm, type M61?, 500bhp, sp 8kn
re-engined 1959 diesel 5cyl (1936) Polar-Atlas type M6, 375 bhp, sp 10kn
re-engined 1964 diesel Lister, 495bhp-369kW

KHURDAH
1930 -xx/07: Launched by "Medway Slipway & Co" (J.P. Knight) at Rochester (keel laid -04/1928)
1931 -xx/01: delivered to "J.P. Knight" (Thames Lighterage) at London
1943: engine rebuilt at Rochester
1959: re-engined diesel 5cyl (1936) Polar-Atlas type M6, 375 bhp
(second hand from a Port Clyde Pilot vessel), fitted by "Greenwich Marine" at Rochester
1962: To "J.P. Knight (London) Ltd" at London
1964: re-engined diesel Lister, 495bhp-369kW, fitted by "R.H. Green & Silley Weir Ltd" at Blackwall
1982: broken up at Grays, Essex [not on T W Ward Ltd lists - 1982 was a bit late for them]

Registered: (GBR)ON 184562
74 GRT, 0 NRT, (70.7'x18.1'x7.3')
1 scr, diesel 6cyl British-Polar, 460bhp-336kW, sp 10,5kn

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Registered: (GBR)ON 181555
50 GRT, 0 NRT, (59.7'x16.2'x6.9')
1 scr, diesel British Polar type M441, 295bhp-205kW, sp 10kn

JOHN HAWKINS
1946: Built by "Rowhedge Ironworks Co" at Rowhedge (GBR) (YN 674)
1946: delivered to "John Hawkins Ltd" at London (GBR)
1970: To "M Tugs Ltd" at London (GBR)
1970: To "Darling Bros. Ltd" at London (GBR), renamed ARTHUR DARLING
1977: To ?? (KWT)
fate unknown

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MARGARET LOCKET
1951: Built by "Cochrane & Sons Ltd" at Selby (GBR) (YN 1374)
(launched as MARGARET)
1951: delivered to " Charrington Gardner & Locket Co Ltd" at London (GBR) as MARGARET LOCKET
1965: To "Charrington Lighterage Co Ltd" at London (GBR)
1969: To "F.T.Everard & Sons Lighterage Ltd" at London (GBR), renamed P.B. EVERARD
1981: To "W.G.S. Crouch & Sons Ltd" at Greenhithe (GBR), renamed JAYNE SPEARING
1984: To "Tidal Marine & Dredging Services (Essex) Ltd" (GBR)
1984: To "Riverway Development Co Ltd" at London (GBR)
1988: To "J.G. Jakubait & Sons" at London (GBR)
1992: registration cancelled (broken up on the Thames ??)

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Discussion Starter · #6 ·
Superb info mate (Applause) Such a shame these old tugs get cut up and are not around anymore :mad:
 

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Karbine.....third picture, SUN XVII at Wapping probably when she was sold and changing her name to RANIA.

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UK Navy Empire tug, Foremost-class
Registered: LR47-48:14030 /LR50-51:77782 /LR56-57:79210 /LR60-61:82000 /LR66-67:534436
IMO 5344360 /(GBR)ON 181517 /(ITA)ON 1031
233 GRT, 5 NRT, L34,40m(32,01), B8,26m(8,23), D3,563m(3,81)
(112.8'(105.2')x27.1'x11.7' or 112'10"(105'0")x27'1"27'0")x11'8.1/4"(12'6"))
1 scr, T3cyl by shipbuilder, oil fired, 150nhp-700ihp

EMPIRE MARGARET
1946 -14/06: Launched by "A. Hall & Co" at Aberdeen (GBR) (YN 713)
1946: -14/11: delivered to the UK MOT Ministry of Transport
1946: Sold to (Sun Tugs) "W.H.J. Alexander Ltd" at London (GBR) for £33,000, renamed SUN XVII
(GBR flag, regd London, ON 181517, c/s GQYG)
1968: To "RN - Societa Rimorchiatori Napoletani" at Naples (ITA), renamed RANIA G.
(ITA flag, regd Napoli, ON 1031, c/s IMBK, 251 GRT, 28 NRT)
1983: owners restyled to "RN - Rimorchiatori Napoletani SM"
1983: to Italian shipbreakers
1983: 27/06: breaking up commenced at Palermo (ITA)

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Thanks alot mate,good to have such a useful man like yourself to help (*))

My records show that P.B Everard was the TID 64 is this right?

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1944 TID 64, 1946 CLAUDE, 1955 P.B. EVERARD

TID-class (numbered from 1 to 183, no nr 13) (T.I.D.=Tug,Inshore and Dock)
53,59 GRT, 14,47NRT, L21,46m(19,84), B5,30m, D2,23m(2,40) (65.0'x17.0'x7.4')
welded steel, 1 scr, C2cyl by ?? (first 90 coal fired, next oil fired) 36bhp-220ihp, sp 8,5kn

1944 -25/01: Launched by 'Richard Dunston' at Thorne (YN T.473)
1944 -xx/02: completed for the UK MOWT Ministry of War Transport, to naval duties
1945 -xx/12: To unknown in France, renamed CLAUDE
1955: To 'F.T. Everard & Sons Ltd', renamed P.B. EVERARD
1969: for breaking up to 'Stour Salvage Ltd' at Harwich
 

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Discussion Starter · #9 · (Edited)
Hi mate instead of keep coming back and asking you i wondered if you have any info on the following:

Port of London Authorities pusher tug BROODBANK & PLA ALBERT
Thames & Medways tug - WARRIOR
The tug ANETKA seen near Tower Bridge inside the Pace fuel barge
Bennets old german pusher tug - BILLY BENNETT
General Marines old tug - DIDO (is she now the tug laying in a poor state on the Millwall slipway near Greenwich pier??)
The William Ryan (is she still about? was the oldest Thames tug at one time,be a shame if she got cut up havent seen her though)

I also took these 2 stills from an old movie about 1950 on the Thames,a knights tug and one unknown i cant make out,any ideas?



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karbine said:
Thanks alot mate,good to have such a useful man like yourself to help (*))

My records show that P.B Everard was the TID 64 is this right?

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1944 TID 64, 1946 CLAUDE, 1955 P.B. EVERARD

TID-class (numbered from 1 to 183, no nr 13) (T.I.D.=Tug,Inshore and Dock)
53,59 GRT, 14,47NRT, L21,46m(19,84), B5,30m, D2,23m(2,40) (65.0'x17.0'x7.4')
welded steel, 1 scr, C2cyl by ?? (first 90 coal fired, next oil fired) 36bhp-220ihp, sp 8,5kn

1944 -25/01: Launched by 'Richard Dunston' at Thorne (YN T.473)
1944 -xx/02: completed for the UK MOWT Ministry of War Transport, to naval duties
1945 -xx/12: To unknown in France, renamed CLAUDE
1955: To 'F.T. Everard & Sons Ltd', renamed P.B. EVERARD
1969: for breaking up to 'Stour Salvage Ltd' at Harwich
That is the info I have.
The second P.B. Everard was the Margaret Locket

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karbine said:
I also took these 2 stills from an old movie about 1950 on the Thames,a knights tug and one unknown i cant make out,any ideas?



Thanks in advance
The first picture looks like the Khurdah.

The second, no idea. Trying to figure out the marking on the funnel I thought it was a large white "T" which could have been Thames & General but they were not in existance in the fifties.

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karbine said:
Hi mate instead of keep coming back and asking you i wondered if you have any info on the following:

Port of London Authorities pusher tug BROODBANK & PLA ALBERT
Thames & Medways tug - WARRIOR
The tug ANETKA seen near Tower Bridge inside the Pace fuel barge
Bennets old german pusher tug - BILLY BENNETT
General Marines old tug - DIDO (is she now the tug laying in a poor state on the Millwall slipway near Greenwich pier??)
The William Ryan (is she still about? was the oldest Thames tug at one time,be a shame if she got cut up havent seen her though)

Thanks in advance
Nothing on the ALBERT and BILLY BENNETT.

BROODBANK

189 GRT, L17,10m, B9,40m, D2,70m
2x diesel 4tew 8cyl Crossley, 1015bhp-746kW total

BROODBANK
1966: Built by "James W. Cook (Wivenhoe) Ltd" at Wivenhoe (YN 1330)
1966: delivered to "PLA - Port of London Authority" at London
1994: To "Briggs Commercial Ltd" at Burntisland
1995: rebuilt to workboat and for pushing (265 GT, L28,50m, B9,45m, D4,27m), renamed FORTH CONSTRUCTOR

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WARRIOR

58 GRT
1 scr, diesel, 390bhp-291kW

VANOC
1937: Built by "Richard Dunston" at Thorne (GBR)
?? 19xx: To "Vokins & Co Ltd" at London (GBR) ??
1975: To "Thames & General Lighterage Co Ltd" at London (GBR), renamed GENERAL I
1983: To "Ron Livett" at London (GBR), renamed WARRIOR
1984: To "Thames & Medway Towage Ltd" (Ron Livett) at London (GBR)
2005: still in service

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ANETKA

27 GRT
1 scr, diesel 'PUK'

??
1966: Built by ?? at Szczecin (POL)
1966: delivered to ??
1994: To "Anekta Marine Ltd" at London (GBR), renamed ANETKA
2006: still in service

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DIDO

(sisterships: DAPHNE, DIANA, DAWN, DAIRING, DEBORAH, DAINTY, DIDO)
Registered: (GBR)ON 300141
30 GRT
1 scr, diesel, 143bhp-105kW

M.S.C. DIDO
1959: Built by "Isaac Pimblott & Sons" at Northwich (GBR) (YN 772)
1959: delivered to "MSC - Manchester Ship Canal Co" at Manchester (GBR)
1989: To "General Marine Services" at London (GBR)
199x: renamed DIDO
200x: sold to ?? at Southampton (GBR)
2005: spotted on a scrapyard in Southampton (GBR)

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WILLIAM RYAN

Registered: (GBR)ON 125674
87 GRT (later 72 GRT), 15 NRT, (71.5'x17.6'x9.5')
1 scr, C2cyl, 46nhp
re-engined 1956 diesel, 537bhp-395kW

TORO
1908: Built by "Union Lighterage Co Ltd" at Blackwall (GBR)
(designed by "James Pollock Sons & Co Ltd" at Faversham (GBR) (YN 177))
1908: delivered to "Union Lighterage Co Ltd" at London (GBR)
19xx: To "B. Jacob & Sons Ltd" at London (GBR)
1951: To "W.R. Cunis Ltd" at Woolwich, London (GBR)
1956: reengined diesel, 537bhp-395kW, renamed WILLIAM RYAN
197x: To "Redland" (GBR)
198x: To "Cleanaway Ltd" at Rainham (GBR)
2000: sold to Paul Williams and Colin Bullock (GBR) for £1 as 'non commercial worker'
2002: spotted 03/09 in London (GBR)
2004: current status as "Preserved, Thames", moored inside Coldharbour Jetty (Cleanaway) at Rainham (GBR)
2005: spotted at Hoo Marina (GBR)

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Discussion Starter · #13 · (Edited)
Thanks,it maybe the 60s then im that sure.

I have a photo on my site (http://coppermine.galacnet.com/riverthames/displayimage.php?album=lastup&cat=0&pos=1) of a tosher called Sydney G do you have any detailed info on her i only have basic owner info no real history. Im sure she was renamed as a tosher i know well.

Do you think this tug on the millwall slipway could be the MSC Dido or maybe the DEBORAH? http://coppermine.galacnet.com/riverthames/thumbnails.php?album=search&type=full&search=Dido

Ive been trying to get a good view of it for ages but i cant get close to work out if it is or not,it really does look like it.

I also snapped this photo of the tug i asked you a while back the red tosher we didnt work out,this is a much better photo of her : http://img439.imageshack.us/img439/967/cimg64870os.jpg

and another tug/trawler spotted near Greenwich in a very bad state,any ideas: http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/5232/cimg64357ov.jpg


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you made a little mistake too by pasting the warrior info as the tug above it (*))
Great to hear the William Ryan is still about it was a great tug for its age,do you have any photos of her recently?


Thanks so mcuh for all this help your giving,im very greatful
 

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Hi Karbine....a little info for you.

SYDNEY G

1 scr, diesel, 150bhp

SIDNEY G.
1954: Built by "J.R. Hepworth" at Paull (GBR)
1954: delivered to "W.J.R. Whitehair Ltd" at London (GBR)
196x: To "Union Lighterage Co Ltd"
1971: To "Sutherland Bros"
1977: To "Darling Bros Ltd" at London (GBR), renamed ARTHUR DARLING
1985: To "Crusader Marine" (GBR), renamed LADY LEIGH
198x: To "(M Tugs) McCann Tugs Ltd" at London (GBR)
1989: To ?? (GBR), renamed MALTA
200x: To Palmers at Gravesend (GBR) ??, renamed BEN S.
200x: To ?? (GBR), renamed SYDNEY G.

http://riverman.gotdns.com/net_pics/Sydney%20G%20(9-7-05).jpg
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The tug on the slip at Millwall I don't think is either Dido or Deborah, it is to distant to make out. I have enlarged a section of the picture so you can see for yourself and perhaps make out who it is.

http://riverman.gotdns.com/net_pics/Dido_4.jpg

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The red hulled tug inside of the Lucy C is the KIERA G.

KIERA G

27 GRT, (46'x11'x6'8")
1 scr, diesel 3cyl Crosley

KENNETH G.
1953: Built by "Cochrane" at Bow Creek, London (GBR)
1953: delivered to "W.J.R. Whitehair Ltd" at London (GBR)
196x: To "Union Lighterage Co Ltd" at London (GBR)
197x: To "Cubow Ltd" at Woolwich (GBR), renamed CUBOW
(William Cunis and Bowker & King joint venture with shipyard at Woolwich, just upstream of the ferry terminal)
19xx: To "Tough & Henderson Ltd"
1983: To "Hastings Bros" at Brentford (GBR)
1983: re-engined diesel RollsRoyce Eagle Turbo, 190bhp
19xx: renamed KG
2005: To "Murphy Marine Services" at ?? (GBR), renamed KIERA G.
2006: to be re-engined diesel Volvo Penta, 280bhp

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Sorry I don't know anything about the trawler.

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http://riverman.gotdns.com/net_pics/Broodbank(7-92).jpg

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Your a star mate,I knew i remembered that SYDNEY G as the Malta just couldent think if i was right.

The Dido? photo im still looking into. Thanks for the KIERA G thats cleared up a puzzle ive had a few months.

Great photos,is it possible i can use them on my site with credit to you,especially the Syd G one its very good.
 

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karbine said:
Your a star mate,I knew i remembered that SYDNEY G as the Malta just couldent think if i was right.

The Dido? photo im still looking into. Thanks for the KIERA G thats cleared up a puzzle ive had a few months.

Great photos,is it possible i can use them on my site with credit to you,especially the Syd G one its very good.
Glad to be of help.

The pics of Sygney G and Broodbank are mine, you can use them if you wish.

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Thanks very much.

The Sydney G looks a real mess in that photo,when was her wheelhouse removed do you know? she also has a smashed window,did the owners seen in the photo tidy her up after this photo was taken?
 

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Riverman,

Do you have any information on the tosher "Teddington" once owned by Tough's?

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karbine said:
Riverman,

Do you have any information on the tosher "Teddington" once owned by Tough's?

Regards
There were two TEDDINGTONS owned by Toughs, one built in 1917 and one in 1949. I assume it is the latter one you are after.

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Registered: (GBR)ON 183192
6 GRT, 1 NRT, (26.6'x8.6'x4.1')
1 scr, diesel, 42bhp
re-engined 19xx diesel Leyland, 150bhp
re-engined 19xx diesel BMC (taxi engine)

TEDDINGTON
1949: Built by "Brooke Marine Ltd" at Oulton Broad (GBR)
1949: delivered to "Tough & Henderson Ltd" at Teddington (GBR)
(GBR flag, ON 183192)
(was she sold pre-1966, as doesn't appear in combined fleet of Clements-Tough?)
19xx: To Ted Harris at Brentford (GBR)
19xx: To P. Walsh (GBR)
2006: still in existence


There is a recent (March 2006) picture of her in St.Kathrines Dock, which unfortunately is NOT my picture.....................

http://riverman.gotdns.com/net_pics/Teddington.jpg

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