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#1 ·
For those that have not heard it looks like all the attempts to save HMS Plymouth have come to nothing and that she has been sold for scrap. This is very sad news and hard to believe in the year that commemorates the 30th anniversary of the Falklands conflict in which the Plymouth was heavily involved and is also now the last survivor. More information at this link:

http://www.hmsplymouth.co.uk/news.html

It could only happen in this country where once again we fail to appreciate history and our past achievements.

Thanks

Mark
 
#3 ·
It could only happen in this country where once again we fail to appreciate history and our past achievements.

Thanks

Mark
We probably have more historic ships as museums than any other country - honestly how many do we need. They are ships , they have a life span, they cost a freakin fortune to upkeep we cant go hanging onto every single vessel that has done something. Better off spending the money on the ones we have
 
#4 ·
Thanks for your reply and I respect your views. I know that it would be impossible and impracticable to save everything, but I would like to point out that she has already survived 24 years in preservation so it is a shame that she could not find a home. I believe the funds were available at one time. I know it is expensive to maintain them and it would have been hoped that being in the right location and with the right management she would have been a going concern. This ship represents the Falklands conflict and is the final survivor from this time. She would be the perfect memorial for those who lost lives down there in 1982, and I might add this includes the RN who lost ships and men down there. HMS Plymouth herself was damaged during the conflict and I was on HMS Glamorgan at the time and we sailed most of the way back to the UK with her. There may be other historic ships preserved in the UK, but there are only a few warships preserved in the UK. Unfortunately it is probably too late to do anything about it now as it looks like she has been sold to the breakers. I wonder had the publicity been far wider wether even in this time of economic woe she would still have been saved.
 
#6 ·
Thank you for your comments guys (whichever way you think). Obviously it is a very emotive time for us, having had various organisations trying to save her over the years, none of which have been accepted. We still haven't given up and won't do so until there is absolutely no chance left that she can be saved.

Regards.

Martin Slater,
Secretary HMS Plymouth Association.
 
#7 ·
Martin,

I have to say I was extremely saddened to read the lastest news on the Plymouth Association website for obvious reasons. I really hope that she can be saved at the 11th hour and I am trying to spread the word as much as I can. Is there anything more that can be done? She really ought to be saved as a memorial for all those that died in the Falklands conflict among other things. Being a Falklands vet I feel very strongly about this but am trying to be practical here as I know it is very expensive to keep a ship as a museum.

I am keeping my fingers very firmly crossed.

Thanks

Mark
 
#10 ·
I dont know why Devonport dockyard/Plymouth city council cant just park her into one of the unused covered frigate complex sheds for now, out of the water and in the dry until the economic hard times are over, or until south yard is ready to have her, surely once she is in a dry dock there will be very little resources/ cash to keep her that way until the time comes when money is about to restore her. I'm sure there are lots of ex crew or voulenteers that are more than willing to give up a few weekends to paint the old girl. I certainly would If I was back in the uk. very sad, lets hope something can be done in the final hour.
 
#12 ·
Scrapping HMS Plymouth...a non news event?

If HMS Plymouth is scrapped it would be a stupid loss for everyone. However there is no reason to make the process easy for Peel Ports or Plymouth City Council!
For those who care...and maybe who have a bit of spare time on their hands, there are a few last actions that will be more productive than shrugging, or looking at your shoes and whistling.
(1) The imminent scrapping of HMS Plymouth is not in the news in any significant way, (so well done to those on-line publications and discussion boards who have picked up on it...like this one). This is a highly satisfactory situation for Peel Ports and Plymouth City Council, especially as it is the 30th anniversary of her deployment to the Falklands.
In order to change this situation start contacting your local press with the story. It's really very easy (scarily so) to get a story into print (or on-line, or on the air). Journalists are under resourced, and overworked, so these days they are reduced to copying each others "copy" or copying stories from news wires like AP. All you need to do is to telephone them and offer the story that is already available on sites such as "Demotix" or "This is Devon", after all you will see it replicated almost word for word at other news sites on the internet. This obviously works best if you are a former sailor having served on HMS Plymouth as then you can give them a unique quote/comment/personnel angle. This should be replicated, not only in Plymouth and Birkenhead, but also at any town that has an interest or association with HMS Plymouth (Portsmouth, Falmouth, Rosyth, etc). For those that care, and who have a personnel story (like some of the commentators here), remember that local papers, radio stations, and news sites do not have to be local to you. You can e-mail to a paper in Merseyside the same story that you e-mailed to a paper in Scotland.
(2) E-mail all of the local councilors and other politicians in Plymouth, Birkenhead, Portsmouth, etc, (where ever you live basically) and briefly explain the situation and request that they reply with their position on the matter. You will get their contact details from the internet. Just send a brief e-mail to question what they have done so far on the matter, and what they intend to do next. Use the same e-mail for all politicians, as they probably don't talk to each other much, and certainly don't listen, when it comes to conversations about historic warships. Also they are often not very knowledgeable about the World beyond local politics, so keep it simple for them. Think of this as an investment. When their agents come a pestering you at election time you can then berate them with something.
(3) Last but not least...Peel Ports! You may want to let the bile flow with the e-mail you send to them. Then forward it to everyone in your address book, and ask them to send it to Peel Ports as well. If you can afford the price of a stamp then send them a letter. That way they have to pay someone to open it.
Just a few ideas ... I'm sure you can think of more!”
 
#13 ·
I think things like this indicate a change in society in general. Happens here in the States too. My impression is that lots of people everywhere are getting completely self absorbed. Internet, email, texting, streaming movies, hell, movies created completely inside a computer, everything is getting so internalized ans so immediate. Fast food RIGHT NOW. Online purchase, next day delivery RIGHT NOW. Satellite TV RIGHT NOW. Can't stand Bogart's Casablanca, it's so f-ing boring, NO CAR CHASES, NOTHING BLOWS UP. Wars LIVE ON TV RIGHT NOW. Falklands ship? Bloody hell, that is so f-ing last century......

Similar thing I'm experiencing. Watch my ship go to the breakers, and there is not a single dedicated museum or preserved ship for the tankers. Those nice shiny carriers, battleships and destroyers that get saved now and again don't even come close to doing their jobs without us, the forgotten. Se la vie...
 
#15 ·
Hms Plymouth

I have made a start by contacting the local press here in Portsmouth so will see if they think this is newsworthy enough to publish. Good thing would be to chase this in the national press which will be the next step I reckon. I can't help wondering if all this will be too late anyway.
 
#78 ·
I have made a start by contacting the local press here in Portsmouth so will see if they think this is newsworthy enough to publish. Good thing would be to chase this in the national press which will be the next step I reckon. I can't help wondering if all this will be too late anyway.
There have been articles both here in Liverpool & Birkenhead, also in Plymouth. I believe there may be one in tomorrow's Mail on Sunday.
 
#16 ·
Just out of curriosity is she even seaworthy to make such a long tow, or are there proposals to scrap her in Liverpool where Intrepid was demolished? has she even had any inspections since languishing in birkenhead? After seeing the photos of the much newer Ex HMS Brilliant cracking open on her tow to the breakers you have to wonder?

I sincerely hope she can be saved, I have sent a few E mails to Plymouth city council, although it seems they have little interest.
 
#20 ·
HMS Plymouth

It is amazing how much support there was for the Falklands campaign at the time but no interest now in the Plymouth. I suppose it was all about outrage at someone daring to invade our territory and Argentinians at that.
Would there be the same level of support today? I doubt it - 'why should we be interested in some bleak island thousands of miles away'? Bring the people back here or let them improve their Spanish would be the general view.
The Argentinians are posturing again now although it is not about generals wanting to distract the public from their problems but about possible oil riches.
The fact that the RN would be incapable of mounting an expedition again would probably suit Britain's modern political leaders. They are not latter day Mrs Thatchers and they would simply find it all too hard. She was always keen to promote Britain on the world stage. I was not a fan of many of her policies which were far too divisive but on this issue she makes the current lot look like pygmies.
There will be no reprieve for Plymouth sadly - too much cost and not enough income for the beancounters as the general public simply do not care. Our maritime heritage is history to all but a minority who include the bloggers on this site.
 
#21 ·
It is amazing how much support there was for the Falklands campaign at the time but no interest now in the Plymouth. I suppose it was all about outrage at someone daring to invade our territory and Argentinians at that.
Would there be the same level of support today? I doubt it - 'why should we be interested in some bleak island thousands of miles away'? Bring the people back here or let them improve their Spanish would be the general view.
The Argentinians are posturing again now although it is not about generals wanting to distract the public from their problems but about possible oil riches.
The fact that the RN would be incapable of mounting an expedition again would probably suit Britain's modern political leaders. They are not latter day Mrs Thatchers and they would simply find it all too hard. She was always keen to promote Britain on the world stage. I was not a fan of many of her policies which were far too divisive but on this issue she makes the current lot look like pygmies.
There will be no reprieve for Plymouth sadly - too much cost and not enough income for the beancounters as the general public simply do not care. Our maritime heritage is history to all but a minority who include the bloggers on this site.
I can't disagree with your comments but we must try at least to save this ship. She did pay her way when she was open to the public, it was the loss of the berth where she was because of developments that caused the problems and not being able to find other suitable berths where she could be accessable to the public. They were offered a berth in Plymouth but were let down at the last minute.
 
#25 ·
Plymouth City Council have always shown such little interest in her, it is stunning.She was opened to the public at Millbay Docks, when she was in PLymouth, probably slightly more suitable than opening her in Scapa Flow.
I think it would be a small investment, and a great sign of goodwill if Babcocks/DML were to buy her, and set her up in South Yard. But no doubt the unions would equate that with job cuts.
 
#26 ·
Hms Plymouth

From a commercial perspective I would have thought that Portsmouth would be the best home. There are already a number of historic warships there including the submarine Alliance at Gosport. However, it is amazing that there are no examples of 20th century surface vessels. At the National Maritime Museum here in Sydney we have the Daring Class destroyer HMAS Vampire, the Oberon class submarine Onslow and the patrol boat HMAS Advance which is shortly to be opened to the public following asbestos removal. The Museum employs a small team of professionals to provide core maintenance but everything else is done by volunteers, some ex Navy others, like me, interested amateurs.There is a cost in this obviously that is subsidised via govt annual grant, but I just find it incredible that the historic home of the Royal Navy has nothing! Our ships are well attended by locals and visitors so why cannot this success be replicated in UK particularly for a ship with such an emotive past?? There always seem to be plenty of visitors around when I visit Pompey so it would not be all cost and no income. Whoever runs the historic ships in Portsmouth should get off their backsides!
 
#28 ·
Plymouth

it does take time and effort to set up a Volunteer programme. Maybe that is the problem. Since the ANMM opened in 1991, the number of volunteers has built to around 400. We get a few perks, a discount in the bookshop, a few free passes a year to give away and free tea and coffee but we are not expensive per se. There is one Manager and two part-time Assts running the programme non of whom will be on big money.
 
#29 ·
At the end of the day does she really have to make money, it's a bonus but the with the UK being in the top ten richest countries in the world, surely the heritage comes first before profit and there should be a subsidies.

Just out of curiosity how does HMS Cavalier survive financially?
 
#30 ·
HMS Plymouth

Macca, I am not sure re Cavalier (which I had forgotten) although I do recall seeing somewhere that it was not easy. At least she forms part of a wider collection. That said I cannot help but think that Portsmouth is really the obvious place for Plymouth. Part of a wider infrastructure plus easy access for a day trip from London, which is not the case with Plymouth/Devonport, while I am sure that foreign visitors are attracted through the various ferry routes using the port. We should not get hung up on the name or where she might have spent much of her career if she is to be saved.