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Hallo Treeve:

Regarding the loss of City of Lincoln and collision between Straton and Silverdale

The skipper of Stratton Daniel Jacob Joensen came from the Faroes

Deckhand Daniel Jacob Højgaard who drowned on the City of Lincoln was also on of many from the Faroes who went to sail out of Grimsby in those days.
 
Hallo Birgir:

Just came across this in a Hull Trawlermen Loss List:

Arnie Bryon 346 st George Street Hull skipper on S/TShakespear H994
Lost by enemy action in Firth of Forth 7 February 1917

Suppose this is Icelander Arni Eyjolfson. No age given.

John Hanson (age 30) 42 Salthouse Lane Hull

Lost with 7 shipmates of the Lord Davenport H273

Wrecked at the Island of Hoy Orkneys 18 March 1928
 
Hi Jonleif

yes, the identity of Arnie Byron as Arni Eyjolfsson was confirmed in earlier exchange on this forum.

A strange anecdote relating to John (JĂłn) Hanson. Tryggvi Ofeigsson (in the Imperialist H2) claimed to have discovered an important fishing grounds (Svortuloft) by accident in 1926. It was a peculiar year, with record catches by inshore boats, but very bad season on traditional trawling grounds, so Tryggvi went searching. He noticed a british trawler in apparent difficulties. When he came closer, he saw John Hansson ship, (Frobisher? questionmark in the original) and the trouble was the the trawl was so full with cod, that they could not get it in. Tryggvi writes that some british trawlers did not even then have the mechanism to divide the trawl and get the catch in in smaller entities (bags). John Hanson was in one of them, and since he was looking for plaice, and such, he went away looking for better fishing grounds!! when he had extricated himself from his overfishing trouble. But Tryggvi Ofeigsson dropped a buoy, and made a good trip from that spot.

Birgir Thorisson
 
Hallo Gil Mayes:

To say that the Fish class Admiralty trawlers was based on the Gullfoss type
is not quite rigth as they where 6 feet longer!!!!!
And that can mean an whole world to a ship both positive as well as negative!!!!
The Gullfoss class built by Cochranes of Selby are as follow:
Green Howard Scrapped in 1956
Gunner Sold to FD in 1954
Hekla Scrapped in 1960
Stalberg ---------- 1956
Gullfoss War loss 1941
Langanes Lost in 1935
Akranes War loss 1941
Alafoss Scrappes 1956
Hi Nicolina,
On the ships builders (Cochranes) plans for the construction of the 'Fish' class, it states "General Arrangement for GULLFOSS-Fish Class". ie, they were to be built from the same plans but the stem was raked so giving a longer overall length.
Regards
Steve
 
Well, I’m amazed.
This is the only other place in the world that I have found mention of the “Ross Keletchekis”
I actually sailed her out to the Persian Gulf in Jan/Feb 1967 and left her in Cape Town in May of 1968.
She was indeed the “Tell” and already well past her sail by date even when acquired by Ross Group. I believe that she was previously used to transport wine around the Mediterranean – hence the need for her “ice breaker” bow!
She was converted in Grimsby into a freezer factory/fridge storage/supply ship and when we arrived in the Gulf (after a few delaying adventures in Algeria, Malta and Suez), we were joined by a fleet of fifteen brand new Mexican Gulf type boom trawlers all named after Iranian girls and a number. Miriam 1, Gadam 3 etc.
The whole enterprise, “Ross Persian Seafoods Corporation” was a joint venture between Ross Group, Mr Keletchekis (a Greek tycoon) and, I think, the Shah of Iran! The name was, of course, always shortened to “Ross K” which infuriated Mr Keletchekis.
The fishing boats were mostly skippered by Panamanians with a few Greeks thrown in and the labour was supplied locally.
The fleet captain was a larger that life Texan “Eddie” Edmunds and some of the Panamanian’s names were amazing, “Edwin Winslow MacTaggart “ springs to mind!
The boats caught the prawns, they were headed and tailed alongside and then we sucked them up, mechanically graded them and then froze them into five pound blocks which were boxed with the Ross logo.
When we had sufficient on board, we would go alongside either an American or Japanese reefer and transship at sea. The prawns were not caught for the UK market. In those days, we neither ate them nor could we afford them.
If I remember rightly, the block freezers were not all that reliable and we actually sailed from Grimsby with engineers on board trying to get then working before we arrived on station. I don’t remember that they were very successful (a difficult task out at sea!) so much so that after a year in the Gulf, we steamed all the way to Cape Town for a complete refit.
I didn’t know what had become of her after that as I left from there and didn’t revert to my old job in Ross Group but I am amazed that she lasted until 1981.
I have some photos of her in the Gulf if anyone is interested.
 
ross kelvin

Ken, did you get my PM? If you send your email address by PM, I have two photos for you.

John T.
Hi john, just found your message ,having a bit of trouble with my talktalk broadband, my ordinary email is available via PM. I would be delighted to receive any photographs of the Ross Kelvin.

I look forward to seeing your pictures,many thanks for your swift reply,
ken
ps did I read somewhere that you knew Barney Wharman ?
 
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Good morning everyone
I hope you have all had a good summer, I have had an extremely busy one, which is why I have not been here very much. I have tried to keep up with your interesting discussions, but just not had time to post.

Like many of you, I have been trying to collate a list of all the trawlers that were registered at Grimsby, and all the names, numbers and owners they had, and I have a couple of questions I thought some expert here might throw some light on.

In Cox's "The Steam Trawlers and Liners of Grimsby" I have noticed that a few trawlers are shown as one name, and then all of a sudden it's that name + II. An example:

8/1906 PRETORIA GY180
5/1915 PRETORIA II

Does anyone know why this happened? Were they real changes of name (would the II have been painted on the trawler?) or were they just some sort of technicality?

My second question is about the few trawlers that Cox says have "no official number". I think there is a size limit for needing an official number (I'm a bit vague about this, is it 20 tons? is it net or gross?) but there are a couple that look as if they should have an official number, but don't. Why would this happen?

As always, any help greatly appreciated. I hope as the winter approaches and the grass stops growing, I might be able to spend a bit more time here!

Thanks
Hilary
 
Hi Trevor,
Technically the Ross Lion was the first of the 'Cat' class, but she was a prototype and quite different to the ships that followed and somewhat smaller. I did a 'pleasure trip' in her in 1961 at the age of 14. She was a notoriously bad sea ship! In fact she sank in the Atlantic when fishing from Canada.
The second was the Tiger, followed by the Leopard, Jaguar, Panther, Cougar, Cheetah, Lynx, Jackal, Puma, Genet, Civet, and the Zebra. Obviously not all cats but the name stuck after the first ships were built. Only one was lost.....the Ross Puma on the 1. 4.68.
The Ross Tiger is moored outside the Fishing Heritage Centre here in GY, and the Ross Jaguar is now called the Jaguar and was converted into a three masted sailing schooner and is at this time in the Pacific.
They were the most successfull of all the middle water trawlers and popular with thier crews.
Regards
Steve
 
Hello Kerb Trawler

The Cat class although beeing named sisterships they where not alike all of them

The older ones had cruiser sterns while the later ones had transom sterns.

Same goes for their propulsion machinery wich was not quite identical althoug supplied by same manufacturer Ruston and Hornsby.

It varied in power and numbers of cylinders.

Take a look into Lloyds List wich have all correct infos on the Cat boats

Their apperance from outside is anyway wery much alike.
 
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