[sandman]

Correction on my last post,its the Bryher being cut up at present,alongside the silver harvester.

 

[gil mayes]

Thanks for the correction, sandman, did wonder. ROSEVEAR was advertised by Milford Haven Fish Merchants Association in Sept 1976 as a runner for £38k. Went to Lowestoft (Scupham) in Jan 1983 and broken up in 1985. Are you keeping a record, sandman or do you know if anyone else is locally? Past experience with Firth of Forth yards (SI, Ward, Brechin, McLellan, Brunton, White) was that they keep records but if they close they are not too easy to recover.

 

[ConversionGeek]

As I go around I see many vessels 'in the course of conversion' some aesthetically displeasing, others downright ugly.
Will they ever be completed, how big is the bag of money, are they intended to disfigure some creek or harbour, if they are intended to be sea going have they employed a Naval Architect during the conversion? ConversionGeek, HATHERLEIGH is for sale in Scarborough @ about £100k - she is in very good condition.

Thanks for the info, I am going to google her and see what I can find.

Obviously, converting and properly maintaining a converted vessels takes up lot of time, energy and other resources ...

It's sort of funny, because it seems the "Ocean Dawn" (another Richardson/Lowestoft vessel) is also up for sale currently according to this posting from 06/2012: http://www.lowestoftonline.com/community/index.php/topic,19591.msg487222.html#msg487222

But the condition is described to be "decayed" according to: http://www.lowestoftonline.com/community/index.php?topic=19591.590;wap2

And it seems even in worse state than the Monkleigh actually:

In 1991, she was advertised for sale for £45k according to this thread:
http://www.shipsnostalgia.com/showpost.php?p=388326&postcount=14

Nevertheless, the asking price seems to be £150k now, according to: http://www.theyachtmarket.com/boats_for_sale/374940/

Keeping in mind that the Monkleigh was obviously not sold for 17k EUR the asking price seems really surprising to me - especially given that the Monkleigh had several generators, a winch and 2 hydraulic cranes - all of which added to her scrap value obviously ...


- Bart

 

[E.Martin]

Depreciation ?

£100,000 asking price for Hatherleigh that is just about what she cost to build,her and 3 other trawlers mentiond here, Valiant Star,Rosevere,Bryher all built around the same era.
Twas said that all those trawlers built around that time cost around a £1,000 a foot.

 

[ConversionGeek]

Actually, according to my info, the Richardson/Lowestoft 100ft sidewinder trawlers built in the 1950s-1960s were usually sold for about ~£ 85k - which seems to be supported by wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mincarlo_(trawler) but also by nationalhistoricships.org.uk data

- Bart

 

[E.Martin]

Richards

Valiant and Hatherleigh were Richards built,Rosevere and Bryher were built at Brook Marine.

 

[gil mayes]

Sep 1976 offered at
BRYHER (LT371) 166grt/61 £54k
NORRARD STAR (M44) 167grt/56 £54k
PICTON SEA EAGLE (M68) 197grt/58 £38k
PICTON SEALION (M22) 166grt/56 £38k
ROSEVEAR (LT457) 166grt/62 £38k
ANDREW WILSON (M73) 197grt/59 £55k
DAVID WILSON (A513) 224grt/61 £70k

So comparing build costs with present day prices is meaningless. HATHERLEIGH, I would venture, is in a different class, fully seagoing and insurable.
Gil.

 

[ConversionGeek]

Yes, that's what I was going to suggest actually - there's inflation etc involved, so 10k in the 1950s/1960s certainly doesn't equal 10k these days ...

BTW: I've had a chance to look at recent pictures and specs of the Hatherleigh online and I agree that she seems to be in an exceptionally good condition actually, certainly much more so than most other vessels from that era.

Which makes me wonder even more why the asking price of the "Ocean Dawn" is even 50% higher than the ~100k asked for the Hatherleigh...

- Bart

 

[ConversionGeek]

And just for the sake of completeness, just stumbled across another 100ft ex-trawler from the 1950-1960 era that's currently up for sale, the "Dawn Gem": http://remote.apolloduck.com/feature.phtml?id=143393&g=2&b=0&n=0&i=241&l=2&s=value

Asking price: £ 65k
At least the exterior is definitely looking better than the Monkleigh and the Ocean Dawn obviously.
Still, the current owner mentioned already 4 years ago, that she's considered to be scrapped, too: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ccartwright44/3580212693/

- Bart

 

[ConversionGeek]

And just to preserve some more info for the future researcher:

http://bidefordbuzz.org.uk/2012/11/shipping-news-no-96-october-november/

Well, readers, after many years on the mud close to the Appledore Shipyard, the two trawlers Silver Harvester & Bryher have finally gone. On the 16 and 17 October they were moved by the Irish Tug Nearchtran to the Richmond Drydock, Appledore, for scrapping. At the time of going to press the yard is expecting the trawler Monkleigh, which was being prepared at Milford Haven. (Various photographs of the shipbreaking activities at Appledore are on the Buzz website – see here ). This is one of the achievements for the River for 2012 - getting rid of the wrecks and bringing work to the area.

Also, regarding the "Ocean Gem" it turns out that the engine doesn't seem to run at the moment, and last she's been slipped and surveyed was in 2007.

While the Ocean Gem's exterior does look slightly better than the Monkleigh at a first glance (and certainly than the Ocean Dawn), the Monkleigh's interior conversion was actually more complete apparently (and she got new antifouling in 2009), and she was said to be seaworthy by the previous owner, including the engine/aux and nautical equipment (gps, radar, hydraulics).

So the asking price of 65k for the Ocean Gem still seems fairly excessive, given that it isn't currently usable for anything but a fancy "house boat" obviously.

It's really unfortunate to see that the Monkleigh was obviously priced reasonably in comparison (i.e. 17k EUR) given its technical condition and still didn't get sold so that she ended up being scrapped now.


- Bart

 

[mikeyk]

Have done a quick posting on my website re the Monkleigh. Many thanks to Bob S for permission to use his photos in my article:

http://welshbrook.co.uk/15/12/2012/to-the-breakers-yard/

A bit of a sad end for the vessel.

 

[gil mayes]

Ships do not go on forever. Breaking and re-use of materials and machinery is surely preferable to the eyesore of slow decay in some harbour, creek or beach.
Gil.

 

[mikeyk]

In this case Gil I think you are absolutely right. Better to scrap the vessel when a lot of what is on-board can be possibly re-used as working machinery, or even as spares. Once it starts rusting and deteriorating it will be only good for scrap.

 

[ConversionGeek]

As I go around I see many vessels 'in the course of conversion' some aesthetically displeasing, others downright ugly. Will they ever be completed, how big is the bag of money...

This is very true, and I don't know if the Monkleigh has been "recycled" meanwhile, but anybody seriously considering to embark on the "conversion train" is well advised to check out the following blog, which is all about converting a 1960s era Dutch trawler named "Lady Jane" (originally Z.431 Judith), bought on ebay in 2004: http://timzim.blogspot.com

The corresponding flickr photostream (~600 images) is to be found at: http://www.flickr.com/photos/timzim/sets/51557/

It's an incredibly well-written blog with hundreds of articles, tons of information and tons of pictures covering the whole restauration/conversion process.

The whole story starts here: http://timzim.blogspot.com/2004/12/big-mistake-some-people-seem-to-think_03.html
http://timzim.blogspot.com/2004/12/how-it-all-came-about_06.html

The owner ended up owning the vessel for about 7 years, until she got scrapped too (in 2011):
http://timzim.blogspot.com/2011/07/end-of-lady-jane.html

To learn more, see: http://timzim.blogspot.com/2004_12_01_archive.html

All the best,

Bart

 

[ConversionGeek]

The Ocean Dawn is currently listed for sale on ebay (priced at 80k GBP): http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Historic-ex-fising-boat-converted-to-live-aboard-/150989526162

Thinking she'll probably be next heading to Richmonds, too ... given that the Monkleigh wasn't even sold for 17k € - even though the owner has been trying to sell or for 5 years, and because the Monkleigh's antifouling/hull was recently done.

- Bart

 

[Tudor Barlow]

Monkleigh, Hartlepool

Just to say that the Monkleigh was in Appledore on Saturday 18th May, still looking like a trawler.

Picture here- http://www.flickr.com/photos/tudorbarlow/9105235615/in/photostream/

I just looked up the name on Google and came up with all this information. Thank you!

Gil Barlow

 

[ConversionGeek]

Hey, thanks for the info!

So she's still "afloat" (well, was in May) ? That's interesting but surprising - in fact, like was mentioned earlier, the previous owner claimed having sold her to a German ship broker who said she'd go to the Mediterranean, who then, presumably, resold her to the breakers for some profit ...

I really doubt that she's not going to be scrapped soon, because the dismantlers basically removed all antennas and technical equipment already in Milford. She was definitely in a better shape prior to going from Milford to Appledore.

Does anybody else have some additional insight into this, maybe someone local to Appledore or possibly even working at Appledore ?

Is it possible to give them a call and get information on vessels ?

Thanks.

- Bart

 

[ConversionGeek]

Some more about Appledore:

http://www.thisisnorthdevon.co.uk/S...e-Richmond-Dock-Appledore-broken/story-16838458-detail/story.html#axzz2XBBUJG9h
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YBLxUVcr1U

Given the condition of the Trawler Anneliese, they're presumably paying competitive prices. Only thing I could find is this:

http://www.findafishingboat.com/ftd-marine-ltd/DB45968

WANTED DEAD OR ALIVE!

CASH PAID FOR ALL END OF LIFE VESSELS.

We offer a legitimate and convenient One-Stop-Shop for the decommissioning and recycling of end-of-life vessels.

Fully licensed yard- we comply with UK, EU and International Standards.

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WE MAKE IT EASY:
We survey and evaluate
We collect
We decommission and recycle
We pay a good price!

CALL US NOW TO SEE HOW MUCH YOUR VESSEL COULD BE WORTH- 07805 569650

- Bart

 

[ConversionGeek]

Here's a close-up of the Monkleigh's most recent mooring at Appledore/Richmond dry docks, quoting:

http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/3442761

Appledore - Richmond Dock
A very tatty vessel moored alongside the Richmond Dock that is a dry dock in this North Devon maritime town. A shipbuilding yard remains further up the river.
The Vessel - Monkleigh was built in 1959 by Richards Shipbuilders of Lowestoft as a trawler under the name Valiant Star and has latterly been used as a standby safety vessel. She was in Milford Haven in late 2012 and was reported to have left for the breakers.

Really surprised to find her not being scrapped (yet) according to some recent photographs - wondering how long does it usually take for Richmond to process a vessel ?

Here's what I could find online

http://bidefordbuzz.org.uk/page/3/

At the time of going to press in our last issue the Appledore Drydock yard was expecting the trawler Monkleigh which was being prepared at Milford Haven. She eventually arrived in tow on the 16th November but could not enter the drydock until work on the three trawlers already there were completed. She was finally docked on the 10th January. On a visit to the drydock on the 11.12 2012 the Bryher had been completed. The Annaleisse was very close to completion, and work on the Silver Harvester was in progress. ( I understand from a report in the ‘Journal’ that South West Metals have now taken over from FDT Marine in breaking up the vessels).
The Southern Beaver, still alongside the Oil Jetty at Yelland, is waiting to be towed away.
[...]The ‘Monkleigh’ will remain moored outside the drydock until January (third photo).

- Bart

 

[ConversionGeek]

Okay, according to some early 2013 news reports, Appledore residents filed complaints in response to Richmond Docks/FTDMarine scraping again, which also ended up involving the Environment Agency:

The running of the dock has been taken over by South West Metals after Environment Agency investigate noise and odour-related complaints from Appledore residents.

A DRY dock is under the operation of a different company after the Environment Agency confirmed it was investigating complaints made about the site.

South West Metals has taken over the ship dismantling and metal recycling responsibilities at Richmond Dry Dock from former tenants FTD Marine.

The Environment Agency said it had received ‘a number of complaints’ relating to noise and odours breaching the dock’s environmental licence.

Paul Gainey, a spokesman for the Environment Agency, confirmed the dock was under investigation but hoped the change around would improve the situation for residents.

He said: “We received a number of complaints from people living near the dock, particularly about the noise levels and odours from the site.

“We will be looking at our enforcement powers but our main priority is to work with the operators to see how the problem can be resolved.”

Shawn Akers, director of South West Metals, said the company would be ensuring it was fully compliant with the regulations of the dock.

He said: “We have a more modern plant and equipment that will reduce the impact of works on the local community.

“A working dock inevitably produces some noise, vibration and dust; however we will ensure that we are fully compliant with the regulations and that no work is undertaken outside of the permitted hours.”

Dock owner Simon Maunder confirmed FTD Marine would now only be involved in sourcing vessels to be broken down.

He said: “I was concerned the Environment Agency had issues with the site and I wanted to make sure the dock wasn’t jeopardised.

“It’s taken a long time to get it working again after 40 years and it would be a great shame if the Environment Agency felt a need to stop it working.

“I tried to develop the dock and Appledore said that’s not what it wanted, that it wanted to see its dock working again.

“I hope with South West Metal’s good reputation and previous work with the Environment Agency, this will rectify the problem.”

Martin Mogford, operations director for South West Metals, added: “We believe we can work in line with the aspirations of the Environment Agency and the local residents and employ more modern methods, such as mechanical shears, to reduce the amount of burning, noise and pollution.

“South West Metal’s environmental, health and safety manager, Reg Pearce, will work with the Environment Agency, subcontractors and the local community to ensure our operations run smoothly and are fully compliant.”

http://www.northdevongazette.co.uk/...uk/news/investigation_sparks_change_of_operators_at_richmond_dry_dock_1_1788631

A NORTH Devon dry dock is now being operated by a different company in a bid to stop further regulation breaches at the site.
The news comes only weeks after the Environment Agency (EA) and Health and Safety Executive confirmed they were investigating Richmond Dry Dock in Appledore and that the previous operators FTD Marine had breached some of their regulations.

www.ftdmarine.co.uk is currently n/a.

http://www.thisiscornwall.co.uk/Com...mplaints-future-dry-dock-balance/story-17635468-detail/story.html#axzz2XRSRvEZt

Also see:http://www.thisisdevon.co.uk/Dry-do...ck-vows-stick-rules-new-operator/story-17815272-detail/story.html#axzz2XRRzjPS3

So this might explain why the Monkleigh hasn't yet been scrapped.

- Bart