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Discussion starter · #102 · (Edited)
Les,

Not wanting to be a spoiler, but that is a pic of the Royal Daffodil 2, not the Royal Iris, being raised during WW2, She was bombed and sank alongside at Seacombe , May 7th 1941. Back in service in June 1943.

Chris.
 
Chris,
Thank you for that, my photo file says Royal Iris, but I will now amed it to read Daffodil 2, This is still all new to me, it is nice to talk to other members, I was sorry to see the photos of the Royal Iris in the state that she is in, after being a member of her crew for Three years, it is the same as the Old Manxman she is in a bad way as well. Thanks Chris and Take Care

Les
 
Discussion starter · #104 ·
No problem Les, I too am very fond of the Royal Iris and the Manxman, having been on both vessels and also being responsible for the Royal Iris's last make over.

I would be over the moon to see them both back on the Mersey where they belong.

Kind regards

Chris.
 
Hi,

Ive just spent 2 nights reading all this harrowing thread. It seems that any article/ building that relates to commonplace english culture,regardless of its future potential, will be scrapped /pulled down.

I too sailed on a river cruise on the Fish & Chip Boat as a teenager although at the time I thought her as ugly as sin and the colour scheme atrocious .I was delighted at the pictures of her on the forum painted in refreshing Blue and white ,although being a Rock Ferry lad I still think Birkenhead ferries were the smartest in their crisp Black, White and RED livery(when did the orange creep in?)

I am a member of the Mersey Lightship Preservation Society and they too are having the same fight .I find it totally incredible that Merseyside politicians could even consider letting the Bar Light go somewhere else or be scrapped.
Millions of tons of shipping and countless passengers passed the bar Knowing they were nearly home to the "Pool" and safety, especially us Bikers returning from the "Island" after the TT a lot of us were not natural sailors and braved the crossing in the name of religion! So I too would support the "Manxman"
Ive crossed over on her a few good times.

I lived in Cardiff for nigh on twenty years and the posts on here have confirmed my belief that I had caught a glimpse of her in Cardiff Docks many years ago ,I presume that was the casino business?

Incidently, was she painted that colour originally to match the Bus fleet because the No 10 bus we used to catch to New Brighton was a sort of Bannana Yellow. I agree that if she was ever returned to the river she should be restored to her original colours because thats how she is in all our memories.

If anyone sets up a fund for coping with the administration of lobbying for the old girl count me in.

WILT
 
Hi Wilt,
The orange funnel livery came in upon the introduction of Mountwood and Woodchurch in 1960. As far as I am aware when the Claughton, Thurstaston and latterly the Bidston (the old steamships) were scrapped the red livery was gone completely. Despite having an orange funnel the Mountwood, Woodchurch and Overchurch still carried a red band above the rubbing strake. I've got several photos of the Mountwood, Woodchurch and Overchurch - (Now the Royal Iris of the Mersey, Snowdrop and Royal Daffodil) with thier smart orange funnels and they look very good when brand new! Much better than Wallaseys white funnels in my opinion.

James x
 
just some info for people on today's ferries, just incase anybody fancies a read lol

The current vessels are Mountwood, Woochurch and Overchurch although over the past 10 years each of these has, in turn, been extensively re built and re engined and also re named with traditional Wallasey names.

The Mountwood and Woodchurch were commissioned by Birkenhead Corporation in 1958 and were based looseley upon the designs of the 1952 Wallasey pair, Leasowe and Egremont. Up until this time Birkenhead had been operating with a fleet of popular but ageing steamships and were lagging behind Wallasey's technologically advanced fleet which included the Royal Iris. They were built by Philip and Sons Shipbuilders at Dartmouth, Devon. The Mountwood's hull was launched on the 31st of July 1959 and Woodchurch in late october of the same year. Both ferries were deilivered to Birkenhead in 1960, replacing the Thurstaston and Claughton. Only the Bidston remained of the old steamers. They were joined in 1962 by the Cammel Laird built Overchurch, which was similar in design to the slightly older pair, but what of the ferries themselves?

Well the Mountwood and Woodchurch each weighed around 460 tonnes each. They were powered by two Crossley diesel engines which propelled them at a top speed of around 12 knots. The engines were fitted with air brakes for rapid reversal. They had, on the main deck, a central saloon, below this was the buffet and smoke room for special functions. For'd of this was the fwd main deck saloon which was heated. On the top deck there was a forward shelter beneath the bridge with a forward promanade deck. The main prom deck was aft of the bridge. The bridges originally had a central control room / wheelhouse and two navigation boxes used when berthing. The wheelhouse contained the brass helm and telemotor, a pair of Chadburns synchrostep telegraphs, rudder angle indicators, whistle controls, CB radio, speed and engine indicators as well as switches for the deck and nav lights. There was also a large binnacle with compass. The docking wings or navigation boxes had pairs of telegraphs which were linked to the wheelhouse ones and another binnacle and various other controls. Overchurch differed from the Mountwood and Woodchurch in the fact that she had a higher funnel that joined onto the bridge, and the bridge spanned the full width of the ship, not like the Mountwood and Woodchurch's wheelhouse and nav boxes. There was also a bridge deck around the funnel. The equipment on Overchurch's bridge and the engines were identical to the slightly older pair.

All the ferries remained in operation through the merger of the two companies under the control of the PTE, and were never sold off. The Mountwood and Woodchurch were withdrawn in 1989 for major refurbishment which saw complete rewiring, re decorating and the bridge wings and wheelhouse were plated to form a single bridge, though the equipment inside remained the same as built. Overchurch was also refurbished though not as extensively as the sisters. They were given a new black and red livery. They all remained in operation up until 1998 when Overchurch was withdrawn and re engined and re built as the Royal Daffodil. Mountwood recieved the same treatment in 2001, emerging as Royal Iris of the Mersey and Woodchurch in 2003 becoming the Snowdrop.

I'll post more info on the rebuilds soon.

Here is a list of funnel liveries used on these ferries.

1. Orange and Black - Original Birkenhead Corp Colours
2. Primrose yellow and powder blue - First PTE colours
3. Green and Black - Second PTE colours
4. Red, White and Blue - Given for the garden festival in 1984
5. Current Red and Black livery - Recieved 1990

James x

please excuse any spelling errors lol
 
Hi guys, this is my first posting and, while I hate to rain on your parade, I'm afraid there is little hope of the Iris returning home for the '08 celebrations. I am a member of the Daniel Adamson Preservation Society, a group of people busy restoring the ex Manchester Ship Canal tug/tender of the same name. Built in Birkenhead in 1903 as 'Ralph Brocklebank' with steam engines supplied by John Jones of Liverpool she worked towing barges across the Mersey between Ellesmere Port and Liverpool. In 1936 she became 'Daniel Adamson' and was altered in appearance but still worked on the canal until laid up in the lower basin at E/Port Boat Museum where she sat for nearly twenty years gradually rotting away and victim of sustained vandalism and theft. Her owners decided to scrap her in early 2004 and it was only due to the quick intervention of a small group of enthusiasts that she was saved at the 11th hour, but that was only the start of the problems which, I fear, would be the same except on a larger scale to bring the Iris back home. For the short journey between E/Port and Liverpool the insurance cover cost us some ÂŁ1500 and a hull survey had to be undertaken before they would allow her to move an inch. We were exceptionally fortunate that Svitzer Towing generously offered a free tow across river into the Liverpool dock system to a berth kindly donated by Peel Holdings. We were informed that there would be no berth available at either Canning or Albert dock until such time as she was restored and,while we have done a huge amount of work on her, only a HLF grant will get her back into our ultimate goal of full restoration and steaming with passengers up the Manchester ship canal. So what of the Royal Iris?. The cost of insurance for a tow from the Thames to the Mersey would, I think, be astronomical that is of course if anyone would take on the risk in the first place. Assuming someone did then who would undertake and how much would such a tow cost?. I doubt Paul McCartney could afford it and even if she made it round without her bottom dropping out where would she go? Apart from their reluctance to allow anything not in pristine condition into Canning half tide dock I am not sure she would fit through the lock gates anyway. The chances of a river berth are just about nil as is a berth within the dock system which, anyway, would defeat the object of bringing her back as they are now closed to the public.. Sorry to sound so negative because I can promise you that I would love to see the ugly old girl back where she belongs but it ain't gonna happen. Feel free to prove me wrong though!.
Details of the Daniel Adamson can be found on www.danieladamson.co.uk

Cheers,
Eddie D
 
A small 'snippet' of information from the 60s when I used to travel on 'Royal Iris' from Seacombe to Liverpool when up for Master's (FG) in 67 and may be useful to enthusiats. The Master was a Capt McCormack and the Purser Bernard Floyd ( a true Gentleman)
 
Nice to read about the Royal Iris doing her river cruises, but does anyone remember the name of the ferry boat that did cruises before the R.I I have forgotten her name but not the wonderful times we had aboard her every Saturday night. She was just an ordinary ferry boat with canvas awnings draped around her open decks and decorated with flags. I am talking about the late forties here, before she was replaced by the fish and chip boat, the Royal Iris. As I remember there was no alcohol on sale nor food of any description but as teenagers we had some wonderful times on her and met plenty of other teenagers from all over Merseyside. I met my first serious girlfriend on her.
 
Discussion starter · #111 ·
Hello John,

The old three deckers, Marlowe, Royal Daffodil II and the old Royal Iris were used for cruising, it was probably one of those.

Kind regards

Chris.
 
Well, I am stunned reading this! I cannot believe the Iris has been left, miles away from home to rot, I cant work it out to be honest, it's the Royal Iris, a local 'landmark' as well known as the Liverbirds and the Tower, it should have some kind of support from someone on Merseyside to get it back home and something done with it.

I used to go on the Mersey ferries quite a lot in my youth and have been on the Iris quite a few times. I went on it once when it was the Merseypirate when it had the funny looking round thing on it for the TV people. Got tickets for that through a family freind called Bobby Sidwell who used to work on the ferries.

I have moved from the Wirral where I used to live (born and bred up there) in '91 to Brighton. I used to spend a lot of time around the docks between Seacombe Ferry and Woodside instead of being at school!!!! (1979, 80 and 81)

Can anyone remember that UFO shaped submarine thing that was in a dock near to Woodside, what was the story behind that?

I have not been home for a while or indeed down to the ferries, where are they now so-to-speak????? Thanks. :)
 
Discussion starter · #113 ·
EKKL,

The UFO shaped submarine thing that was in a dock near to Woodside, was in fact designed as an underwater caravan. It could submerge and sit on the bottom. It had if you remember numerous portholes around it from which its inhabitants could view the sea world outside. It was designed for clear tropical waters, and not Liverpool as the view from the bottom of the mersey docks was probably about 1 inch and that is being very generous.

It was quite a startling concept, however the designer apparantly could not get anyone interested and the whole idea was dropped. I believe the UFO shaped submarine thing was finally broken up by the then MD&HB when the docks were filled in.

Chris.
 
A few months ago my local MSP tried to drum up support in the Scottish Parliament and media to help preserve the sternwheeler Delta Queen after reports of her being withdrawn from service. I wrote to her pointing out that, although a supporter of ship preservation, I thought that this was not an appropriate example. Only the hull was built by Denny at Dumbarton, the superstructure being added in the USA and most of the machinery was German built. In any case it is a registered historic monument in the US. I invited her to use her new found enthusiasm for ship preservation to be directed nearer home to Royal Iris. I suggested that as the waterfront area which used to form Denny's shipyard was being redeveloped it might be a thought to have Royal Iris as a centrepiece, possibly housing a museum to local shipbuilding, local library, restuarant etc. As expected no reply - maybe I'm a cynic but Royal Iris didn't offer the prospect of a freebie to the States!
Agree that the Mersey should be the choice destination but sadly she will lie rotting until the breakers yard is the only option. Why as a country have we so little interest in our proud maritime history?
 
A good stream of posts. I am another Mersey exile - memories of a busy Mersey in the early 60s - packed ferries taking daytrippers to New Brighton - lots of ships to see - dredgers in action etc. The Royal Daffodil 2 from the 1960s was sold to Greece in around 1977 and was in use as a ferry until late last year when she sank. There may have been fatalities - it was covered in either Ships Monthly or Sea Breezes a month or two ago. I suspect nothing will happen with the RI. The Mersey authorities are only interested in selling land to developers who presumably make donations to their political parties. You only have to see what happened to the Warships Trust which lost its Birkenhead home when Peel Holdings, the owner of the land, decided to redevelop the site. Similarly, Manxman was knocked back and scrapping looks inevitable which is probably just as well as she is in very poor condition. Something should have been done when she finished 26 years ago and before she went to Preston and the disastrous night club venture.
 
Royal Daffodil 2 from the 1960s was sold to Greece in around 1977 and was in use as a ferry until late last year when she sank. There may have been fatalities - it was covered in either Ships Monthly or Sea Breezes a month or two ago.
Bl00dy Hell!! Any links / pictures / articles???
 
I'm an ex-pat Scouser, who left Liverpool in 1962 when I went into the forces and now living in Bexleyheath Kent. In my teens I spent many happy hours aboard MV Royal Iris. To begin with as a youngster on days out with my parents and Family, in later years with the lads, and all that goes with that or days out with girlfriends, over to New Brighton or Saturday Night Rock cruises and Sunday nights Merseysippi Jazz cruises. Lots of good memories.

When hunting on the web for more nostalgic memories from my days in Liverpool, I was quite pleasantly surprised to hear that she had been moved down here and wondered what she might have become of her or what she might be being used for. When seeking out more info I was dismayed to find to find that the first picture that I found of her was the one of her tied up at Woolwich looking such a shadow of her former self. The blue and white hulk a near wreck by comparison with my memories of her.


The memories, oh lord my best mate Les met his wife Jackie on there when we where returning home from one of our weekend jaunts to New Brighton and one of our first dates (I went out with Jackie's mate for a while) was a Saturday or Sunday night River Cruise on her.

I understand the current owner is contemlating a restotation. Oh I hope he does! It's bordering on criminal to see her in that state. :mad:

Nice to meet y'all.

Gerrysea.
I seem to remember doing much the same trip on the Royal Daffodil. What happened to her? Just wilt, wither and die as the other one is doing. Suffering from a severe doze of 'accountant greenfly'.
 
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Les,

Not wanting to be a spoiler, but that is a pic of the Royal Daffodil 2, not the Royal Iris, being raised during WW2, She was bombed and sank alongside at Seacombe , May 7th 1941. Back in service in June 1943.

Chris.
Chris
My Sister sent me some Photos from Wallasey, you might be interested in as you said she had sank.

Les
 
Discussion starter · #120 ·
Thanks Les for showing the pictures - they put her there as it was a nice stretch of firm sand which she could safely sit on when the tide went out. They then patched the damage and refloated her on the next tide.

Quite often if they had a quick hull, prop or rudder job to do they used to put them on the sand and do the job whilst the tide was out.

Thanks again for the pics to you, and to your sister for sending them (Thumb)

Regards

Chris.
 
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