For those BP Tanker specialists (A) .... what was special about the Valour and the Courage ???? ... I know but do you??
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Thanks Graham for the e-mails.
Paul Edwards relieved Bob Simpson and Trevor Bellis relieved Bob Goodall at RAK when we entered the Gulf to load our first cargo after dry-dock at KGV. The surname Hepburn was going through my head on seeing the initials.
The list brings back a few other faces too, thanks.
Cheers George
Paul Edwards relieved Bob Simpson and Trevor Bellis relieved Bob Goodall at RAK when we entered the Gulf to load our first cargo after dry-dock at KGV. The surname Hepburn was going through my head on seeing the initials.
The list brings back a few other faces too, thanks.
Cheers George
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Should also add that it was the only ship I was sexually assaulted on. One of the 'ladies' must have thought I might be a potential customer standing in my boiler suit, looking suave and sophisticated, near the deck office mid-ships I was on cargo watch. She walked up to me appearing as she wanted to talk but instead reached inside the boiler suit and and fondled the crown jewels and seemed quite surprised that JT didn't rise to the occasion. She walked off to one of her pals appearing extremely miffed.
A life at sea you never knew what was coming next and never more so than on the Valour.
Cheers George
A life at sea you never knew what was coming next and never more so than on the Valour.
Cheers George
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Hi agmh
I joined the Valour as 3/O in KGV, Frank Frost OM Bob Simpson C/O Bob Goodall 2/O if I remember correctly. One boiler down to the Cape with shore guys still on board, there were still problems till I paid off. A week at anchor in the bay at Rio after discharge to do repairs, good for the deck crowd, no watches, not so good for those down the pit. The local 'Ladies of the Night', as one of my colleagues at the jetties in Grangemouth called them, did some good business on board. Loved the ship itself but was probably glad when it was time to go home, some great people on board but others not so great which made it hard going at times.
Were you on board when the pump-man died? I don't think so as I don't remember any cadets at that time. He had been out on deck with me setting lines but was seriously struggling, had just come back from sick leave, so I told him to go to his cabin, unfortunately he was brought back out onto the deck after I went off watch and died shortly after. Should never have been there.
Anyway have been trying to figure out who you are, are agmh your initials? After all these years the memory is failing not that it was ever that great, names and faces have never been my strong point, can remember the names of some of the folks I sailed with but unfortunately far too many that I can't.
Cheers George
I joined the Valour as 3/O in KGV, Frank Frost OM Bob Simpson C/O Bob Goodall 2/O if I remember correctly. One boiler down to the Cape with shore guys still on board, there were still problems till I paid off. A week at anchor in the bay at Rio after discharge to do repairs, good for the deck crowd, no watches, not so good for those down the pit. The local 'Ladies of the Night', as one of my colleagues at the jetties in Grangemouth called them, did some good business on board. Loved the ship itself but was probably glad when it was time to go home, some great people on board but others not so great which made it hard going at times.
Were you on board when the pump-man died? I don't think so as I don't remember any cadets at that time. He had been out on deck with me setting lines but was seriously struggling, had just come back from sick leave, so I told him to go to his cabin, unfortunately he was brought back out onto the deck after I went off watch and died shortly after. Should never have been there.
Anyway have been trying to figure out who you are, are agmh your initials? After all these years the memory is failing not that it was ever that great, names and faces have never been my strong point, can remember the names of some of the folks I sailed with but unfortunately far too many that I can't.
Cheers George
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The only thing different cargo-wise that I can remember on the Valour and Courage is that there were double shut-off valves for all the cargo tanks, not having been on other 32's I can't say if it was just these two in the class. The stern discharges were bog standard as were the main cargo manifolds.
Back to the DEMS locker, another thing was the DEMS torch and black-out material for portholes etc..
George
Back to the DEMS locker, another thing was the DEMS torch and black-out material for portholes etc..
George
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Just a bye the bye the ships stamp for the Valour had its BHP as 14000 whereas the Courage stamp showed the BHP as 25000.
Not sure if my memory is playing me tricks but I seem to remember drawings for where guns could be fitted onto reinforced decks fore and aft.
Struggling to remember the contents of the DEMS locker, there were boards for hanging over the side to cover the ships name and there was something for over the stern, when in convoys, for the ship astern to see you in blackouts.
George
Not sure if my memory is playing me tricks but I seem to remember drawings for where guns could be fitted onto reinforced decks fore and aft.
Struggling to remember the contents of the DEMS locker, there were boards for hanging over the side to cover the ships name and there was something for over the stern, when in convoys, for the ship astern to see you in blackouts.
George
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Hi Paul,
Nigel Packard was Old Man when I left,sailed with him on the Sergeant the following year he was the one with the urine concerns. C/O was Paul somebody or other, afraid I can't remember his last name but we kept falling out. I did tea reliefs for him and was lucky if I got down for my meal before 5:40 and there was nothing left, luckily the 2nd steward would at times take pity on me and knock-up something fresh for me. We had not gotten of to a good start as on arrival at our first port after he and Trevor joined; they had been setting lines for loading and I came out on deck and said they were doing it wrong which he would not accept and so we had a bit of a fall-out. He thought the double shut-offs were crossovers and what did I know, it was my first cargo as well, but not my first trip on the ship. I'm still waiting for an apology or something but we carried on like that till I left.
I can't remember the 2nd Mate as I think Trevor Bellis had left before me. Sparks had been Dick Lodge a good guy, I wonder if he ever did set up his own shipping line. Chief steward was the never to be forgotten Len Bloor, good at somethings but not at keeping food in the fridges or beer in the beer store.
Engineers are a blank apart from Dick Wilkinson 4/E but he left much the same time as me.
Cheers George
Nigel Packard was Old Man when I left,sailed with him on the Sergeant the following year he was the one with the urine concerns. C/O was Paul somebody or other, afraid I can't remember his last name but we kept falling out. I did tea reliefs for him and was lucky if I got down for my meal before 5:40 and there was nothing left, luckily the 2nd steward would at times take pity on me and knock-up something fresh for me. We had not gotten of to a good start as on arrival at our first port after he and Trevor joined; they had been setting lines for loading and I came out on deck and said they were doing it wrong which he would not accept and so we had a bit of a fall-out. He thought the double shut-offs were crossovers and what did I know, it was my first cargo as well, but not my first trip on the ship. I'm still waiting for an apology or something but we carried on like that till I left.
I can't remember the 2nd Mate as I think Trevor Bellis had left before me. Sparks had been Dick Lodge a good guy, I wonder if he ever did set up his own shipping line. Chief steward was the never to be forgotten Len Bloor, good at somethings but not at keeping food in the fridges or beer in the beer store.
Engineers are a blank apart from Dick Wilkinson 4/E but he left much the same time as me.
Cheers George
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Joined the Valour as first trip cadet in November 1967 whilst she was in dry-dock in Birkenhead. Left her in the I.O.G. in mid April '68.
Joined the Courage as first trip U3/O in Dunkirk in September 1969 and left her 6 months later in March'70 at Nynashamn.
Joined the Valour as 3/O in KGV dry-dock in April 1971 and left 7months later in December '71 at RAK.
All were eventful trips in their own way I was about to say they were all good trips and enjoyable but then you stop and remember the arguments with C/O's, the fights in the crew's accommodation and there you and the C/O are in amongst the metal bars and the flying knives armed with a pair of handcuffs trying to sort it out, the Old Man was locked in his cabin not wanting to know. Same port I am out on deck on cargo watch and they have run out of beer in the crew bar and the Chief Steward has got some tucked away in the laundry locker mid-ships, no way am I going to be able to stop them and stay in one piece but I can't make it too easy.
I could probably get a book out of my two trips on the Valour but wouldn't swap it for anything, a good ship to sail and I liked them both for cargo handling never had any problems with the double shut-offs!!!
The second time on the Valour we managed to arrive in the I.O.G. with just enough food on board to give the Super a meal and he would have been wasting his breath asking for a drink unless he got it in the Old Man's or Chief Stewards cabins. I have never seen a ship apparently store so much but have nothing on board. We had even stopped off in Las Palmas to store on the way up from Cape Town, where we had also stored.
I won't even mention the tea reliefs, though sometimes it was to my benefit, or the Old Man enquiring into the colour of your urine.
Cheers George
Joined the Courage as first trip U3/O in Dunkirk in September 1969 and left her 6 months later in March'70 at Nynashamn.
Joined the Valour as 3/O in KGV dry-dock in April 1971 and left 7months later in December '71 at RAK.
All were eventful trips in their own way I was about to say they were all good trips and enjoyable but then you stop and remember the arguments with C/O's, the fights in the crew's accommodation and there you and the C/O are in amongst the metal bars and the flying knives armed with a pair of handcuffs trying to sort it out, the Old Man was locked in his cabin not wanting to know. Same port I am out on deck on cargo watch and they have run out of beer in the crew bar and the Chief Steward has got some tucked away in the laundry locker mid-ships, no way am I going to be able to stop them and stay in one piece but I can't make it too easy.
I could probably get a book out of my two trips on the Valour but wouldn't swap it for anything, a good ship to sail and I liked them both for cargo handling never had any problems with the double shut-offs!!!
The second time on the Valour we managed to arrive in the I.O.G. with just enough food on board to give the Super a meal and he would have been wasting his breath asking for a drink unless he got it in the Old Man's or Chief Stewards cabins. I have never seen a ship apparently store so much but have nothing on board. We had even stopped off in Las Palmas to store on the way up from Cape Town, where we had also stored.
I won't even mention the tea reliefs, though sometimes it was to my benefit, or the Old Man enquiring into the colour of your urine.
Cheers George
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