[grahamtowa]

Just a thought.We all seem to have Olsens from different years. Would anyone be interested in the following.Scanning the fishing vessels list and putting it onto cd. Then anyone requiring a copy of that year could buy a copy of the cd for a reasonable price, say a fiver. It would be better than us bidding against each other and paying twenty odd quid for the occasional copy that does come up for sale on e-bay. It would also make many more years accesible to anyone requiring them. I know that I would happily pay a fiver for a cd of a year that i do not already have.

 

[Gavin Gait]

Not legal i'm afraid Graham. Even tho the printers that issued the Almanac has folded they still hold the copyright for a period of 75 years after the last produced copy. You would get into a LOT of trouble of the administrators if the company found out you were copying their lists onto a CD , you can't do it to give to anyone else either. All you can legally do is to scan it and put it onto CD for yourself , called acceptable use policy.

If you try to sell a copy , even for a quid , you could find yourself in serious trouble , the fines are normally not less than £2,500+ and you can be fined an unrestricted amount there is no upper limit its up to the beak in charge of the case i'm afraid.

Same rules apply to photographs , basically if you didn't take the photo you do NOT have any rights to reproduce it until the copyright owner has been dead for 75 years. You cannot legally scan and put online any photo from any publication , be it a book or a postcard , without the express written permission from the copyright holder.

I'd advise you not to follow up on this as if your caught doing it with this thread in existence it would be a cut and dried case in court and you would be heavily fined i'm afraid.

I did copyright law when I did my Freelance Photography coursework.

Davie

 

[grahamtowa]

well, that knocks that idea on the head! Thanks for clarifying the legality of it, Davie. I never thought about copyrights. We'll just have to keep posting on the site for boat info and rely on various members to look it up in the odd almanacs which are scattered amongst us. (Thumb)

 

[martin johns]

Olsen's

As far as I'm aware copyright law as Davie describes only applies if more than 15% of the publication is copied & only if it is then sold for commercial gain.

Firstly, the fishing boat lists constitute a small part of the book (much less than 15%) & secondly, nobody would gain commercially if the cost only covered the cost of the CD & postage.
I'll check the copyright laws next time i'm in the MBA library.
Great idea though Graham, I'd be up for it.
Martin.

 

[Gavin Gait]

Martin no i'm sorry but copyright law states that you can only copy a maximum of 15% of any publication for your own use ONLY.You cannot copy and pass on any material that you do not hold the copyright on. Its up to you but if you end up getting a knock on the door don't say ya wasn't warned lol.

Davie

 

[Roger Griffiths]

The best source I know for copies of Olsens from 1920 to 1996 (incomplete) is in the reference section at the Grimsby central library.
I have always found them very helpful when I have sent e-mail enquiries

trust this is of help
Roger

 

[martin johns]

Fair point Davie,
I suppose the phrase, "for your own use" somewhat rules it out.

 

[Kerbtrawler]

Olsens Books

Just a thought but is it possible for the members to all list the copies they have and we hold the list somewhere so that when a question is asked we know who could possibly have the correct book for the answer.

Is there anyone who could suggest a way around the copyright issue, as I for one collect olsens as and when ever I come across because if you cross reference them with Lloyds you can get a pretty accurate picture of the spec on the vessels

 

[Kerbtrawler]

Just one last point

for clarification on copyright law have a look at the following link in warsailors.com

http://warsailors.com/forum/read.php?1,34443,34443#msg-34443

we had similar discussions concerning what was copyright

hope this helps clarify

 

[hulltrawler]

Look ups

If you check on e bay and such at census information they offer to do look ups for a set amount.
This practise could be adopted for the olsens free of charge by the various people that hold them and are willing to do so. Much the same as e mailing the library and such places.
Hull Central Library holds copies from 1939 onwards incomplete.

I hold copies in various guises of 1910 / 1915 / 1924/ 1949/ 1963 / 1971/ 1974 / 1982

 

[Kerbtrawler]

Thanks for that
I will give it a try

I have 1930,1947,1948,1949,1956,1965,1976 and 1983 in differing amounts of content, mostly photo copies or reproduced photo's

And just for the record none of which contribute to more than 10% of the overall books, there by not affecting the copyrights.


cheers

ps the Grimsby Library hold a complete set from early 1900's through to 1980's although the copies pre 1919 are on microfilm

the others are there and they are quite happy for anyone to photo upto 10%

My problem is getting to grimsby...LOL

 

[GeoffOlsen]

(Acknowledging the acceptable use clause...)

I have a copy of "The Fisherman's Practical Navigator" published in 1878 by OT. Olsen. He was my great great grandfather and described himself as "Compass adjuster, Nautical Instrument Maker, Flag Manufacturer, Chart & Nautical Bookseller and Publisher of the Olsen's Fisherman's Nautical Almanac"

I am also keen to obtain copies of any Olsen's Fisherman's Nautical Almanac's (and fantasize I could claim ownership of them as one of his decendants!! ha ha.) ...so clearly, I will have to bid on ebay just like everyone else and most likely simply watch them change hands!

My father has a copy of one from about 1968 here in Melbourne.
Any info I can assist with, or other connections, linkages I can make, I would be delighted so please contact me.

Regards,
Geoff Olsen.
son of John Christian Olsen
son of Arent Oscar Olsen
son of Ole Theodore Olsen (OT. Olsen)

 

[Kerbtrawler]

Thanks for the info geoff

You will probably have quite a few enquireries form myself and others

Good to hear from you

Cheers

 

[kev-anderson]

hi i have almanacks from 1972 and 1981 if that is any good to you?
kev

 

[GeoffOlsen]

Hi there everyone, First post on this forum

Please does anybody have old copies of the "Olsen's fisherman's nautical almanac". ....Regards, Martin

Hi Martin - I have 'registered ship lists' from OT Olsen's "The Fisherman's Practical Navigator" published in 1878.

I'm proud to say that my great great grandfather was O.T Olsen - "Compass adjuster, Nautical Instrument Maker, Flag Manufacturer, Chart & Nautical Bookseller and Publisher of the Olsen's Fisherman's Nautical Almanac""...as he described himself in the coverleaf of the above book.

So if you're interested in some (very!) "old" listings from even before the very first Olsen's Almanac, just let me know. (Ready to send, I have .pdf images of the Table Of Contents as well as the ships registered in Grimsby!)

Cheers,
Geoff

 

[Kerbtrawler]

If you check on e bay and such at census information they offer to do look ups for a set amount.
This practise could be adopted for the olsens free of charge by the various people that hold them and are willing to do so. Much the same as e mailing the library and such places.
Hull Central Library holds copies from 1939 onwards incomplete.

I hold copies in various guises of 1910 / 1915 / 1924/ 1949/ 1963 / 1971/ 1974 / 1982

Hi Hulltrawler,
Is there any chance of having a look in the 1915 Olsens for the MFV ALICE we believe sunk on or around the 14th Aug 1917 but I am struggling to trace her.

All we have is the name and date of it going missing and are trying to tie it in with a U boat that claims to have sunk here near the Humber.

For more details have a look in the grimsby trawlers thread at Roger's posts

thanks for the help

 

[GeoffOlsen]

Two Smacks registered as "Alice" in Grimsby!?

(Copied also to the thread on "Grimsby Fishing Vessels")

Re: tracing the vessel "Alice".

This text is taken straight from "The Fisherman's Practical Navigator" published in 1878, by OT. Olsen - in the chapter "List of Smacks Registered at the Port Of Grimsby" (amongst 9 other ports).

I am writing because interstingly, there are two(2) entries for ships named "Alice"!

Listing #1:
No. 83
Name. Alice
Tonnage. 42
Fishing Capacity. Trawl
When Built. 1862
Owners Name & Address. J. Ward, do (ie.Grimsby)

Listing #2
No. 255
Name. Alice
Tonnage. 18
Fishing Capacity. Whelk
When Built. 1869
Owners Name & Address. L. Smith, do (ie.Grimsby)

Regards,

Geoff

 

[shoney]

Hi lads good to know there is still people out in the areas around the coast keeping all the information alive all the best shoney

 

[raf1387]

Hi Martin,
I have the following Olsens - 1910-1920-1933-1939-1947-1949-1950-1951-1952-1953-1954-1956-1957-1958-1959-1960-1961-1962-1963-1964-1966-1967-1968-1969-1974-1976-1977-1980-1982-1983-1985-1986-1991-1993-1994-1996
if I can help in any way please let me know.

 

[Kerbtrawler]

Hi Geoff,
Thanks for the information on the Alice but it looks like it could be the Alice Gertrude.

Cheers