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#21 ·
World Ship Society published an excellent history: The Trades Increase, A Centenary History of Norex plc, Founded in 1893 as The Hindustan Steam Shipping Co. Ltd, Managed by Common Brothers. I sailed for them 1985-7 in SPRING DELIGHT.
 
#22 ·
Hindustan Steam Shipping Company

Tony
Having served my time and sailed with Common Bros. from 1963 till 1970 I was wondering if the book "The Trades Increase" includes a history of Commons as well as the Hidustan Shipping Company.
I did four stints on the Afghanistan and the Daghastan as well as the Iron Ore and the Border Laird and was one of the few engineering cadets that Commons ever employed. In fact when I was with them they managed forty ships
 
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Geordie said:
Hello all
Did anyone sail with comon brothers shipping company, does anyone have a list of thier ships, anyone know the history of the company, i would be pleased to hear from anyone, also searching for a picture of the small bulk carrier Ria Jean Mcmurtry, can anyone help, would love to hear anything about the company Kind regards Geordie
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Hi-- there are a couple of pics on shipspotting of a 1973 ship,now "Adriatic Arrow", ex Ria Jean McMurtry-- would this be the one? A link is:
http://www.shipspotting.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=275256
there is a stern view at the preceding photo in the shipspotting list

The ship is also listed here,where it appears pics may be ordered;
http://66.249.93.104/search?q=cache...dundeecity.gov.uk/archives/calsort.htm+ria+jean+mcmurtry&hl=en&gl=uk&ct=clnk&cd

Finally, I attach a rather small and indistict pic of the ship in the Channel, details/date of pic unknown. Regards

P.S. it subsequently occurred to me that if it was a Channel shot,it was probably from Skyfotos, so I searched their site and it is in fact available from Skyfotos World Ships Club, for about £3.50 inc. p&p.The link is:
http://3277.e-printphoto.co.uk/skyf...ndex.cfm?z=z&CFID=4642908&CFTOKEN=57233482&y=y&p_id=40783&c_id=2798&action=view
 

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#24 ·
Hi Dave,

The book "The Trades Increase" ISBN 0 905617 74 6 consists of 200 pages & lists all ships in a total of 51 companies owned, controlled or managed by Commons. It is very complete & in the normal style of WSS each ship is photographed with an acompanying brief but essentially complete history. All of your ships are included & over half of the book is dedicated to histories of Commons & their associated companies. My only interest in the company was my last ship, SPRING DELIGHT, which was owned by W&G Industrial Leasing of London, flagged in Hong Kong, demise chartered to Hopemount Shipping for time charter to Salen Reefer Services, later Cool Carriers. Hopemount was a Commons company by that time part of Kristian Siem's Norex empire and W&G, for Williams & Glynns Bank, was part of (I think) Royal Bank of Scotland or maybe Bank of Scotland. That may indicate how some obscure ships are listed.

It is an excellent book & I have read it cover to cover a couple of times & use it regularly for reference purposes so it well exceeded my expectations.

Regrads, Tony
 
#25 ·
well halo geordie
Iworked for comons 1972-1979 and done a trip on rea jean, seen apic of her somewhere on this site you might know me brian nelson 3rd eng from south shields if you do drop a line.
 
#26 ·
common bros

hello geordie
found this site last night and was supprised to see Common brothers
and a few ships that I had sailed on, NOT TO GOOD AT, getting around
the site as a bit complicated for me, never mind ! You might know me from
the ria jean or the fina britannia brian nelson 3rd eng.
hope to here from you
best regards
brian.
 
#28 ·
common bros

hello geordie
I sailed with commons from 72-79 and did a trip on the ria jean in 75 good ship lousy engine (pielstik) good crowd nice bar.
Other ships i was on where al badia, arabyah, fina britannia, kurdistan, caribbean progress, al wasseem, danny f, and the last one was alakrham
then maid redundant! allinall not to bad of an outfit.By the way i am a sand dancer.
 
#29 ·
Having just joined this site I am having diffs finding my way around it. My call sign was that of my first ship the "Border Shepherd" . The following ships were "Ria Jean McMurtry" (Nov '73 - Feb'74), "Frank D Moores", "Border Chieftain", "Kurdistan" (ex Frank D Moores), "Hindustan", Caribbean Endeavour", "Fina Britannia" and "Farid Fares".
 
#31 ·
Hello to all on this thread.

I just found this site today via google, as I am researching the Common family tree, and have just located what I think is a link to Common Brothers Ltd.

I see that most of you actually sailed on the ships, but does anyone know anything about the owners/directors of the company.

My link seems to be Brian Eliot Common who is shown as a director in 1953.

Thanks
 
#32 ·
CommonFamily said:
Hello to all on this thread.

I just found this site today via google, as I am researching the Common family tree, and have just located what I think is a link to Common Brothers Ltd.

I see that most of you actually sailed on the ships, but does anyone know anything about the owners/directors of the company.

My link seems to be Brian Eliot Common who is shown as a director in 1953.

Thanks
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See the World Ship Society publication "The Trades Increase" (Lingwood/O'Donoghue) a centenary history of Norex PLC (successors to Common Brothers)
 
#34 ·
hello redfive'
I sailed on the Kurdistan just before you. I think Bob Hedley relieved me and then Geordie Bainbridge , wife and kids when you were there when she had her accident. George emigrated to Oz some time ago and lives in Kin***ber NSW. Good ship, great crowd with one or two exceptions and a good Company. Did the Kurdistan have WI crew when you were there?
ccurtis1
 
#36 ·
Geordie said:
Hello all
Did anyone sail with comon brothers shipping company, does anyone have a list of thier ships, anyone know the history of the company, i would be pleased to hear from anyone, also searching for a picture of the small bulk carrier Ria Jean Mcmurtry, can anyone help, would love to hear anything about the company Kind regards Geordie
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Hi, I sailed on Ria Jean Mcmurty in August 1976. I went home for a couple of days when she drydocked in Cardiff and when I got back she was re named City of Pretoria (November 76). She went on hire to Ellermans for anout a year to carry containers to and from South Africa. I re joined the ship in August 78 and she was then named Simonburn. 2 trips and 3 names and a shed load of happy memories. You can get a copy of the ships photograph from http://www.dundeecity.gov.uk/archive/caledonnameofvessel/ I will check my old photo album for any pictures I might of taken.
 
#39 ·
Hallo Geordie
Short History and fleetlist of Hindustan Steamship Co.

Hindustan Steam Ship Co. Ltd. was formed in 1893 by J.W. Squance and F.J. Common under the name of J.W. Squance & Co, their first ship was the HINDUSTAN, hence the name of the new company.
Captain Squance retired in 1903 and Francis J. Common died leaving the management of the company in the hands of his eldest son F.W. Common.

In 1907 a partnership of Common Brothers Ltd. was set up by the three brothers.
The Northumbrian Shipping Company Ltd was formed in 1924.
At the beginning of the great slump in 1930 the fleet consisted of 20 tramps and initially none were sold although all were laid up for various periods at the end of their voyages.

At the beginning of World War 2 the Hindustan Steam Shipping Company had 8 tramps and 2 tankers.
A severe blow was dealt to the company by the enemy during the war years altogether 8 ships were lost. 2 ships were lost due nautical hazards.

A major venture began with BP in 1952 starting the Lowland Tanker Company Ltd in which Common Brothers had 25% of the shares. All the ships of this company had the prefix BORDER.

Common Brothers and Jardine Matheson started in 1957 the Vallum Ship Company and ordered 5 ore carriers with IRON names and chartered for 10 years to Bisco.

The existing fleet was run down in the 50ties and in 1956 the Hindustan Steam Ship Co. Ltd owned only 2 tankers, however in 1957 and 1960 joined by 2 ore carriers.
The company entered the bulk trade in 1965 with the delivery of the SIMONBURN.

In 1962 the Burnside Shipping Company Ltd was formed to own 2 nearly new German built tramps which were purchased from Liberian owners.
Control of the North Shipping Company was obtained in 1964 together with their last ship the NORTH DEVON.

The Common family decided in 1964to convert Hindustan Steam Ship Co. Ltd into a public company with listing on the Stock Exchange.
Control of the Hopemount Shipping Company was obtained in 1966 together with the motortramps with the name prefix HOPE.

A trailer Ro-Ro venture was started in 1968 for Caribbean trading named Caribbean Trailer Express and used 2 German built Ro-Ro’s between New York, Kingston and Boca Chica.
This was not a success and all had been sold in 1979 after heavy losses had built up.

From 1977 onwards pre tax losses were made nearly every year and in 1981 the Hindustan Steam Ship Co. Ltd was acquired by Norwegian shipowner Christian Siem through his Norex Ltd., the remaining 2 tankers were sold and chartered back and operated in a pooling arrangement with Gotaas Larsen.

Name Built Builder History Tons
Hindustan (1) 1892 Osbourne, Graham & Co., Sunderland Built for J.W. Squance & Co., 1893 transferred to Hindustan SS Co., 1901 sold to Cia Cantabrica de Nav., Bilbao renamed Valmaseda, 1.11.1910 wrecked on Rio Cana Beach. 2,421
Kurdistan (1) 1895 Short Brothers, Sunderland 1912 sold ro Lavarello Fratelli & Censini, Genoa renamed Vega, 1924 scrapped. 3,036
Afganistan (1) 1899 Short Brothers, Sunderland 1914 sold to J. Tognetti, Genoa renamed Enrico Millo, 26.9.1916 sunk in collision with French steamer SAVOIE in Mediterranean. 3,542
Daghestan (1) 1900 Short Brothers, Sunderland 18.12.1908 sunk in collision with British steamer CATALONE off Sandy Hook. 3,466
Hindustan (2) 1902 Short Brothers, Sunderland 1912 sold to Northern S.S. Co., St. Petersburg renamed Altai, 1918 to The Shipping Controller, 1920 returned to Russia and resold to Societe Maritime & Commerciale de France, Rouen renamed San Martino, 1922 renamed Romanitza, 1925 sold to Compagnie de Commerce & d’Armement, Dunkirk, 1927 sold to Yugoslavia renamed Treci, 10.8.1933 foundered near Brindisi. 3,756
Sagami 1902 Short Brothers, Sunderland Built for New York & Oriental S.S. Co., purchased while building, 1908 sold to J. & C. Harrison, London renamed Harlow, 1913 sold to Soc. Lloyd del Pacifico, Savona renamed Amista, 1932 scrapped at Savona. 4,212
Laristan (1) 1910 Short Brothers, Sunderland 4.9.1916 captured by German submarine U.38, torpedoed and sunk near Gozo. 3,675
Hindustan (3) 1912 Short Brothers, Sunderland 21.3.1917 torpedoed and sunk by German submarine U.46 in North Atlantic with the loss of 2 lives. 3,692
Daghestan (2) 1912 Short Brothers, Sunderland 1916 sold to Rome Steam Shipping Co. (Fisher, Alimonda & Co.), London, 1920 sold to Italian State Railways, Rome renamed Antium, 1923 sold to Parodi & Corrado, Genoa renamed Bainsizza, 1924 sold to Villain & Fassio, Genoa renamed Alberto Fassio, 1927 sold to Essex Transport & Trading Co. ( Meldrum & Swinson), London renamed Essex Judge, 1937 sold to Thameside Sfhipping Co., 1938 renamed Thorpehaven, 10.6.1938 bombed and sunk by Spanish Nationalist aircraft at Alicante, later raised and to Spanisgh Government, 1941 returned to service as Castillo Guadahlest, 1942 transferred to Empresa Nacional Elcano de la Marina <ercante, Madrid, 24.8.1951 sprang leak and abandoned in North Atlantic, 25.8.1951 foundered. 3,691
Kurdistan (2) 1914 Short Brothers, Sunderland 20.9.1917 torpedoed and sunk by German submarine U.32 in Mediterranean. 3,720
Hindustan (4) 1917 Bartram & Sons, Sunderland 1918 sold to Prince Line renamed Korean Prince, 1934 sold to D. J. Pateras & Sons, Chios renamed Diamantis, 3.10.1939 torpedoed and sunk by German submarine U.35 off Land's Ends. 4,990
Wilton 1916 Wm. Gray & Co., West Hartlepool Ex Wilton, 1918 purchased from Pyman Steamship Co. not renamed, 30.6.1918 torpedoed by German submarine UB.57, beached near Hastings, refloated repaired renamed Laristan, 27.1.1926 abandoned in sinking condition by crew in North Atlantic. 4,281
Laristan (2) See Wilton.
Baluchistan (1) 1913 Irvine's Shipbuilding & Drydocks Co. Ltd., West Hartlepool Ex Eustace, 1918 purchased from Pyman Steamship Co. renamed Baluchistan, 1937 sold to African & Continental S.S. Co., London renamed Penthames, 31.5.1938 damaged by Spanish Nationalist aircraft and declared total loss. 3,995
Kurdistan (3) 1918 Wm. Gray & Co., West Hartlepool 1928 sold to Dem. J. Dambassis, Andros renamed Georgios G, 1951 sold same name, 1952 sold renamed Captain Sdyrmas, 1953 scrapped. 4,289
Afghanistan (2) 1917 Sunderland Shipbuilding Co. Ltd., Sunderland Ex Abereden, 1918 purchased from Adam Steamship Co., Aberdeen renamed Afghanistan, 19348 sold to Achille Lauro, Naples renamed Lucrino, 29.8.1944 mined off Cagliari and beached, refloated repaired and rebuilt into a motorship,1960 scrapped. 5,516
Hindustan (5) 1918 Short Brothers, Sunderland Ex War Seagull built for The Shipping Controller, 1919 purchased while fitting out renamed Hindustan, 1939 sold to Kohoku Kisen KK, Tokyo renamed Zinzan Maru, later Jinzan Maru, 16.7.1944 torpedoed and sunk by American submarine USS Guardfish. 5,217
Turkestan 1917 Sir Raylton Dixon & Co., Middlesbrough Ex War Flower built for The Shipping Controller, 1919 purchased renamed Turkestan, 1935 sold to Atlanticos SS Co. (Kulukundis Bros), Syra renamed Mount Lycabettus, 15.3.42 sailed Baltimore, went missing, presumed torpedoed by German submarine U.373. 4,292
Ellerdale 1913 R. Thompson & Sons Ltd, Sunderland Ex Ellerdale built for Thomas Smailes & Sons Steamship Co., London, 1919 purchased from Gordon Steam Shipping Co. not renamed, 1937 sold to O/Y Wasa Steamship Co., Wasa renamed Elle, 28.8.1940 torpedoed and sunk by German submarine U.101 in North Atlantic. 3,721
Waziristan (1) 1917 Sir J. Laing & Sons Ltd, Sunderland Ex War Rambler built for The Shipping Controller, 1919 purchased renamed Waziristan, 1920 sold to Coylet Steamship Co. (Thomas Dunlop & Sons) converted into a tanker renamed Coylet, 8.2.1922 fire broke out abandoned by crew, 15.2.1922 sunk by US coastcutter. 5,221
Daghestan (3) 1921 Short Brothers, Sunderland Tanker, 25.3.1940 torpedoed and sunk by German submarine U.57 with the loss of 4 lives. 5,742
Waziristan (2) 1924 Short Brothers, Sunderland 2.1.1942 stranded in ice in the Arctic Ocean, later torpedoed and sunk by German submarine U.134 with the loss of the whole crew. 5,135
Malistan 1924 Bartram & Sons, Sunderland Tanker, 1936 sold to Brazilian Navy renamed Marajo. 5,553
Selvistan 1924 Short Brothers, Sunderland 5.5.1943 torpedoed and sunk by German submarine U.266 in North Atlantic with the loss of 6 lives. 5,136
Kafiristan (1) 1924 Short Brothers, Sunderland 17.9.1939 torpedoed and sunk by German submarine U.53 in North Atlantic with the loss of 6 lives. 5,193
Laristan (3) 1927 Short Brothers, Sunderland Tanker, 15.1.1942 severe damaged after stranding on Tiree Island, declared total loss, 7.1.1943 refloated to Ministry of War Transport, repaired and back in service as Empire Gulf, 1946 repurchased renamed Laristan, 1949 sold to John I. Jacobs & Co., London renamed Cherrywood, 1953 sold to Marco & Sons, London (Costa Rica flag) renamed Irene M, 1954 sold to Muzaffer Emin Zorlu, Turkey renamed Semira, 1960 scrapped. 6,417
Badjestan 1928 Bartram & Sons, Sunderland 1946 sold to Quaside Shipping Co. (Wm. Brown, Atkinson & Co.), Hull renamed Ferriby, 1947 sold to La Tunisienne Steam Nav. Co. ( Frank C. Strick & Co.), London renamed Camerata, 1951 sold to Compania Nacional Naviera S.A., Panama renamed Maria, 1955 sold renamed Somalegra, 1960 scrapped. 5,573
Kurdistan (4) 1928 Short Brothers, Sunderland 10.12.1941 torpedoed and sunk by German submarine U.130 in North Atlantic with the loss of 10 lives. 5,844
Goolistan 1929 Short Brothers, Sunderland 23.11.1942 torpedoed and sunk by German submarine U.625 near Tromso and lost with whole crew. 5,851
Pukkastan 1929 Short Brothers, Sunderland 7.9.1939 torpedoed shelled and sunk by German submarine U.34 off Bishop Rock. 5,809
Rajastan 1929 Bartram & Sons, Sunderland 1949 sold to Franco Maresca & C., Italy renamed Mar Terso, 1958 sold to Panamanian Oriental SS Corp. ( Wheelock, Marden & Co.), Panama renamed Marlena, 1959 sold for demolition, 1960 scrapped. 6,391
Hindustan (6) 1940 Short Brothers, Sunderland 1954 sold to Rederi A/B Atos ( Allan Borjesson), Sweden renamed Almen, 1963 sold to Greece renamed Sas, 1972 sold same name, 1977 laid up, 1979 scrapped. 5,245
Daghestan (4) 1941 Wm. Doxford & Sons Ltd, Sunderland 1956 sold to Asimarfield Shipping Corp., Liberia renamed Annefield, 1969 scrapped at Santander. 7,248
Kafiristan (2) 1941 Wm. Doxford & Sons Ltd, Sunderland 1954 sold to The Aviation & Shipping Co. ( Purvis Shipping Co.), London renamed Avisglen, 1961 sold to Lebanon renamed Noelle, 1965 transferred to Carmelia Shipping Co., Cyprus, 1972 scrapped at Shanghai. 7,248
Baluchistan (1) 1944 Bethlehem Fairfield Shipyard Inc., Baltimore Ex Samsturdy standard ship type Liberty built for United States Maritime Commission, 1947 purchased renamed Baluchistan, 1953 sold to Louis Dreyfus & Co., London renamed La Loma, 1958 sold to Zoodochos Cia.Nav., Panama renamed Angelic Force, 1959 transferred to Greece renamed Dynamis, 1966 scrapped at Osaka. 7,249
Newhall Hills 1944 Marinship Corp., Sausalito Tanker standard ship type T2 tanker built for United States Maritime Commission, 1947 purchased in damaged condition, repaired and returned to service as Afghanistan in 1949, 1953 sold to Societa di Navigazione Corado, Italy renamed Giacomo Corrado, 1959 laid up, 1961 scrapped. 10,601
Afghanistan (3) See Newhall Hills.
Kurdistan (5) 1950 Harland & Wolff, Belfast Tanker, 1961 sold to Navigation Maritime Bulgare, Bulgaria renamed Arda, 1977 scrapped at Split. 8,322
Waziristan (3) 1950 Lithgows Ltd., Port Glasgow Tanker, 1956 sold to A/S Theologos ( N. Rogenaes), Norway renamed Erling Rogenaes, 1958 sold to Skips A/S Hidlefjord & Skibs A/S Byfjord renamed Korsfjord, 1962 scrapped at Split. 9,115
Laristan (4) 1952 Lithgows Ltd., Port Glasgow Tanker,1963 sold to Andros Navigation Co., Bahamas renamed Alor Star, 1966 sold to Liberia renamed Thassos Island, 1970 renamed Mentor, 1971 sold renamed Marean, 1972 scrapped at Santander. 12,446
Afghanistan (4) 1957 Harland & Wolff, Govan Ore Carrier, 1972 sold to Compania de Nav. Levantino S.A., Panama renamed Levantino, 1981 sold renamed Paxo, 1986 scrapped. 11,188
Hindustan (7) 1957 Lübecker Flenderwerke, Lübeck 1968 sold to Valerosa Cia. Mar. S.A., Greece renamed Agios Nectarios, 8.10.1983 grounded off Bushire, 1984 scrapped at Gadani Beach. 9,104
Daghestan (5) 1960 Harland & Wolff, Govan Ore Carrier, 1975 sold to Sealand Carriers Corp. ( Ugland Management), Singapore renamed Lovinda, 1981 sold to Mergui Shipping Private Ltd (Planet Shipping Co.), Singapore renamed Mercury, 10.6.1982 severly damaged by fire and laid up, 1987 scrapped at Aliaga. 11,204
Laristan (5) 1965 Lithgows Ltd., Port Glasgow Tanker, sold to N.J. Vardinoyannis, Greece renamed Pyrros V, 1971 sold renamed Spectra J, 1975 renamed Pyrros V, 1976 renamed Yannis V, 1976 sold to Saudi Arabia renamed Ras Tanura used as an oil storage barge and bunkering vessel, 1990 renamed Yiannis P.V. 37,927
Hindustan (8) 1976 Swan Hunter Shipbuilders Ltd, South Shields Tanker, 1978 sold to Marsden Point Tankers Ltd (Union Steam Ship Co. of New Zealand), New Zealand renamed Amokura, 1993 sold to Fogarty Maritime Co., Cyprus renamed Transporter LT. 19,867
Simonburn (1) 1973 Robb Caledon Sdhipbuilders Ltd, Dundee Ex Ria Jean McMurtry built for Common Brothers, ex City of Pretoria, ex Simonburn 1977, 1978 transferred to Hindustan S.S. Co., 1979 sold to Vast Shipping Ltd (Gomba Shipping), Channel Islands renamed Gomba Challenge, 1980 sold to Labrador Shipping, Greece renamed Ocean Challenge, 1984 sold same name, 1985 sold to Bermuda same name, 1985 sold to Portline S.A.R.L., Portugal renamed Fernao Gomes. 7,100
Afghanistan (5) 1972 Swan Hunter Shipbuilders Ltd, Hebburn Tanker, ex Joseph R. Smallwood built for Nile S.S. Co., time chartered to Common Brothers, 1976 renamed Afghanistan, 1980 transferred to Hindustan S.S. Co., 1980 to Northumbrian Shipping Co. renamed Newburn, 1981 sold to Sea Sapphire Shipping, Greece renamed Aquarius, 1988 sold to Malta renamed Ascot, 1991 sold to Italy renamed Polare, 1993 sold renamed Monte Chiaro. 19,869
Simonburn (2) 1973 Swan Hunter Shipbuilders Ltd, Hebburn Tanker, ex Frank D. Moores built for Nile S.S. Co., time chartered to Common Brothers, 1976 renamed Kurdistan, 15.3.1979 ran into ice at full speed, hull fractured and bow was later sunk by gunfire, aft section repaired and reconstructed with a new bow section renamed Simonburn, 1980 transferred to Hindustan S.S. Co., 1980 to Northumbrian Shipping Co., 1982 sold to Ching Tankers Liberia renamed Aura Bravery, 1986 sold to Cyprus renamed Seabravery. 19,869
Strait of Canso 1975 Swan Hunter Shipbuilders Ltd, South Shields Built for Northumbrian Shipping Co., 1980 transferred to Hindustan S.S. Co., 1980 to Northumbrian Shipping Co., 1982 sold to Ching Tankers Liberia and chartered back renamed Aura Adventure, 1985 sold to Cyprus renamed Seaborn, 1989 sold to China renamed Xiang Hai. 19,867

Mainsource
Travel of the Tramps, twenty Tramp fleets Vol. II, N.L. Middlemiss, Shield Publication, 1991.
Regards
 
#40 · (Edited)
I sailed in Common Brother's tanker Kurdistan as Ordinary Seaman from September 1957 until March 1958, Captain Southcombe had his wife and baby daughter aboard for the whole time we were away. the Baby's name was Lesley and she was about eighteen months old, so that little girl would be about fifty one years old now, I wonder where she is ? Regards
Ray Jones
 
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